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and.............I just bought a DELL U2713HM....regretting not waiting, but still happy with my purchase.
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Issue is, when pixels are technically too small to see, their edges are almost indistinguishable, which means that high AA in 4K 28" is nearly pointless: a 28" 4K without any AA should be better than 4x FSAA 27" 1080p. In fact you could spend any short of GPU grunt on AA, and you could never be better than native 4K without AA in a 1080p monitor of "remotely equivalent" size.

But too many people will keep bragging about running stuff on "Ultra AA" in 4K, and too many will be miserable for being unable to do so.

Except you are nowhere near the point of pixels being indistinguishable on a 4k 28 inch screen. That's a 157 PPI which is only half of the needed 300 PPI for pixels to be indistinguishable. You'd need an 8k screen (or something a little bit less, but 8k is touted as the next big res after 4k, so we will stick with that) at 27 inches to hit 300 PPI.
 
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Except you are nowhere near the point of pixels being indistinguishable on a 4k 28 inch screen. That's a 157 PPI which is only half of the needed 300 PPI for pixels to be indistinguishable. You'd need an 8k screen (or something a little bit less, but 8k is touted as the next big res after 4k, so we will stick with that) at 27 inches to hit 300 PPI.

Except you are nowhere near the point of distinguishing individual pixels at 300ppi from the normal viewing distance of a 27" which - due to your natural field of view limitations given you don't go to extreme neck/head nor eye movement - is close to its diagonal.

But even without your field of view limitations, your visual aquity is limited, thus the resolution you can actually see, or at least the "norm" for normal vision 20/20 can see, is limited to way lower than 300ppi - again, for normal viewing distances a 24-27" is subject to. For a smartphone that you often bring a few inches from your nose, sure, 300 ppi is nice.

You could stick with your 300ppi screens...guess with the same exact logic you believe all prints have to be 300dpi too (cause the 300 p/dpi is a printer's rule originally)...and that a 32in x 24in poster print is a severe lackluster if its is not reproduced from a 70MP digital file...or that a 48 sheet billboard (240" x 120") requires a shy off 2,600 MP (yes, 2.6 Terrapixels). Guess what: far from it. The resolution we can actually notice, is tied to our distance from the subject.

According to the visual acuity formula given in the wiki above, the 1800p 15" rMBP @ 227 ppi is nearly perfect, as a person with 20/20 vision cannot really distinguish higher resolution beyond 15"/39cm.
A 1440p 27", tho "just" 109ppi , appears just as perfect as the rMBP past 32in, and at around 3K (~1650p vertical) it would be nearly perfect at 27".
Yes, a 16:9 screen 27" @ 1800p is better than the average eye can see at its diagonal, and a 2160p is even better.

Sure, the elitists in OCN have to have 240Hz and 300ppi or nothing.
Much like full AA or nothing.

Good, whatever rocks your boat. just don't elevate your preference and misconceptions into general needs.
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in theory my 2 670 4gb FTW should run 4k with no AA?
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in theory my 2 670 4gb FTW should run 4k with no AA?

Yes, and a lot with AA... You'll only find it hard to run games in the same league as Crysis 3 and Metro LL. For games like that, you'll probably have to run with No AA, and medium-low settings to maintain 60 fps +
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Yes, and a lot with AA... You'll only find it hard to run games in the same league as Crysis 3 and Metro LL. For games like that, you'll probably have to run with No AA, and medium-low settings to maintain 60 fps +
just as well I've finished them:thumb:, Will wait until I can see one live before I jump, but then, I really love my PB278Q.
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That's what i'm thinking as well. These AAA developers throw in "stupid" settings that kill framerate but really don't change the image quality at all. You know, i've played a ton of games like this. Metro : LL, crysis 3, I could go on here. You can drop the settings down a notch and it won't look different, and I play at 1600p.

I guess it does make GPU vendors happy though. smile.gif Gotta have those games chugging along at 30 fps to sell GPUs. Cuz some people have the can't tweak attitude for some reason.

And i bet your high settings @ 60fps 1600p looks amazing and better than someone at 50fps on ultra on a cheap 1080p monitor. But as you said its the all or nothing crowd the rich (and dumb) kids that splurge all their money on sixteen graphics cards so they can haz the ultra..
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Except you are nowhere near the point of distinguishing individual pixels at 300ppi from the normal viewing distance of a 27" which - due to your natural field of view limitations given you don't go to extreme neck/head nor eye movement - is close to its diagonal.
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this is quite true. viewing distance is Everything.

you can stand at the back of a living room and watch how equalliy crisp 1080p looks vs 4k upclose to your face. But then again you could buy a big screen and have to move your head a lot.

There is as with everything a perfect balance. 1440p @ 27" is completely fine for normal viewing distances but its each to their own i guess. Im more interested in 21:9 4k screens where by the height matches at 32" monitor so that would be a 39" @ 21:9 I think?
Edited by Pip Boy - 4/2/14 at 4:19am
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Where can I order this at $699?
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Where can I order this at $699?
In Australia, PC Case Gear have it for $750 AUD, but we're always more expensive.
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