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Hi, I was looking to get some advice on parts for a folding rig I am considering building. It would be fully dedicated to folding and run 24/7. I currently have a Asrock extreme 4m mobo and 3770k (not greatest OCer). I am thinking a budget of around $500 for the rest of the components. My main goals are value so if I would have to go over budget a little for a big gain in PPD, I would consider that. Thanks for the help in advance.
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At this point in time, GPUs are looking to be the future of the project. With the new GPU core (core 17), a $330 card like the GTX 770 can earn 100k PPD with a reasonable OC, while a similarly-priced CPU such as the 3770k or 4770k is probably only going to earn 20k PPD at best with a decent OC. There have been some issues with core 17 project availability in the last few weeks, but long-term it's going to be the standard and the old GPU cores will be phased out.

You definitely want to get a solid, reliable power supply as well. If your power bills aren't too high, then getting a super-efficient PSU may not be worth it, though at this point it seems like 80+ Bronze is sort of the baseline for most decent units. Everyone probably has a different list of reputable PSU manufacturers; my list would include Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, and EVGA, but there are several others that I've heard good things about as well.

Other things like RAM, hard drive, etc., aren't worth putting much money into for a dedicated folding box, as they don't affect performance enough. Some people actually skip a hard drive altogether and run Linux off of a flash drive. Most popular distros don't require much space; I think an 8 GB drive would be enough room for a Ubuntu installation. At worst you'd bump up to a 16 gig drive. Any old hard drive lying around would also work; there's not much of a benefit to FAH going from a mechanical drive to flash memory. With RAM, 4 GB of DDR3-1600 should be fine. Faster RAM will slightly improve CPU performance, but not enough to be worth the price increase.

My suggestion would probably be the 770 I mentioned above, plus shopping around for the other parts. I believe a 760 or 670 do around 70k PPD, so while that makes it easier on the budget, you'd be taking a notable performance hit. The 780 is one of the best value buys, but at $500 for the card alone, it may be outside your budget when factoring in the other components. Both of mine OC'ed to around 1215 MHz hit between 170-220k PPD on core 17 projects (and in some cases, it depends on which run of a certain project they're working on).

I'm not as familiar with the AMD side of things, and it seems like lately folders have been avoiding them for dedicated builds because of the price inflation due to their mining prowess. I think at their original price points their folding performance levels matched up with their comparably-priced Nvidia models, but they're not as desirable with that crypto markup.
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At this point in time, GPUs are looking to be the future of the project. With the new GPU core (core 17), a $330 card like the GTX 770 can earn 100k PPD with a reasonable OC, while a similarly-priced CPU such as the 3770k or 4770k is probably only going to earn 20k PPD at best with a decent OC. There have been some issues with core 17 project availability in the last few weeks, but long-term it's going to be the standard and the old GPU cores will be phased out.

You definitely want to get a solid, reliable power supply as well. If your power bills aren't too high, then getting a super-efficient PSU may not be worth it, though at this point it seems like 80+ Bronze is sort of the baseline for most decent units. Everyone probably has a different list of reputable PSU manufacturers; my list would include Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, and EVGA, but there are several others that I've heard good things about as well.

Other things like RAM, hard drive, etc., aren't worth putting much money into for a dedicated folding box, as they don't affect performance enough. Some people actually skip a hard drive altogether and run Linux off of a flash drive. Most popular distros don't require much space; I think an 8 GB drive would be enough room for a Ubuntu installation. At worst you'd bump up to a 16 gig drive. Any old hard drive lying around would also work; there's not much of a benefit to FAH going from a mechanical drive to flash memory. With RAM, 4 GB of DDR3-1600 should be fine. Faster RAM will slightly improve CPU performance, but not enough to be worth the price increase.

My suggestion would probably be the 770 I mentioned above, plus shopping around for the other parts. I believe a 760 or 670 do around 70k PPD, so while that makes it easier on the budget, you'd be taking a notable performance hit. The 780 is one of the best value buys, but at $500 for the card alone, it may be outside your budget when factoring in the other components. Both of mine OC'ed to around 1215 MHz hit between 170-220k PPD on core 17 projects (and in some cases, it depends on which run of a certain project they're working on).

I'm not as familiar with the AMD side of things, and it seems like lately folders have been avoiding them for dedicated builds because of the price inflation due to their mining prowess. I think at their original price points their folding performance levels matched up with their comparably-priced Nvidia models, but they're not as desirable with that crypto markup.

Prices for AMD cards are coming back down to Earth, though I don't know how well they fold.

The 750 TI is interesting, and might be pretty good at folding once it's supported.
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At this point in time, GPUs are looking to be the future of the project. With the new GPU core (core 17), a $330 card like the GTX 770 can earn 100k PPD with a reasonable OC, while a similarly-priced CPU such as the 3770k or 4770k is probably only going to earn 20k PPD at best with a decent OC. There have been some issues with core 17 project availability in the last few weeks, but long-term it's going to be the standard and the old GPU cores will be phased out.

You definitely want to get a solid, reliable power supply as well. If your power bills aren't too high, then getting a super-efficient PSU may not be worth it, though at this point it seems like 80+ Bronze is sort of the baseline for most decent units. Everyone probably has a different list of reputable PSU manufacturers; my list would include Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, and EVGA, but there are several others that I've heard good things about as well.

Other things like RAM, hard drive, etc., aren't worth putting much money into for a dedicated folding box, as they don't affect performance enough. Some people actually skip a hard drive altogether and run Linux off of a flash drive. Most popular distros don't require much space; I think an 8 GB drive would be enough room for a Ubuntu installation. At worst you'd bump up to a 16 gig drive. Any old hard drive lying around would also work; there's not much of a benefit to FAH going from a mechanical drive to flash memory. With RAM, 4 GB of DDR3-1600 should be fine. Faster RAM will slightly improve CPU performance, but not enough to be worth the price increase.

My suggestion would probably be the 770 I mentioned above, plus shopping around for the other parts. I believe a 760 or 670 do around 70k PPD, so while that makes it easier on the budget, you'd be taking a notable performance hit. The 780 is one of the best value buys, but at $500 for the card alone, it may be outside your budget when factoring in the other components. Both of mine OC'ed to around 1215 MHz hit between 170-220k PPD on core 17 projects (and in some cases, it depends on which run of a certain project they're working on).

I'm not as familiar with the AMD side of things, and it seems like lately folders have been avoiding them for dedicated builds because of the price inflation due to their mining prowess. I think at their original price points their folding performance levels matched up with their comparably-priced Nvidia models, but they're not as desirable with that crypto markup.

 

When it comes to PSUs, recommendations cannot be reliably made on either the 80+ Certification or the brand name. The following in your list have both super crappy PSUs and some good ones:

 

Antec

Corsair (yes, Corsair is playing this game now too)

EVGA

 

SeaSonic might have some crappy ones, but I don't know.

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When it comes to PSUs, recommendations cannot be reliably made on either the 80+ Certification or the brand name. The following in your list have both super crappy PSUs and some good ones:

Antec
Corsair (yes, Corsair is playing this game now too)
EVGA

SeaSonic might have some crappy ones, but I don't know.

Whenever people ask me about PSUs I just automatically link them to the Recommended PSU Thread on here and I get told that you guys are idiots and that Corsair is the best brand. I just shake my head at those people, tell them to do whatever they want but if their computer has a power supply related problem after I gave them advice on what to get or what to look at at least, and then walk away. Everyone I go to school with says avoid SeaSonic like it's the plague of PSU manufacturers and I just laugh. If people won't let me help them I will just let them screw themselves over in building their computers. Same goes for any other suggestions I make too.

Sorry for the OT there UPGR4Y3DD, Zagen30 covered most anything that I would have said.
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Whenever people ask me about PSUs I just automatically link them to the Recommended PSU Thread on here and I get told that you guys are idiots and that Corsair is the best brand. I just shake my head at those people, tell them to do whatever they want but if their computer has a power supply related problem after I gave them advice on what to get or what to look at at least, and then walk away. Everyone I go to school with says avoid SeaSonic like it's the plague of PSU manufacturers and I just laugh. If people won't let me help them I will just let them screw themselves over in building their computers. Same goes for any other suggestions I make too.

Sorry for the OT there UPGR4Y3DD, Zagen30 covered most anything that I would have said.

 

lol I had no idea that the level of ignorance was that bad. Omg.

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When it comes to PSUs, recommendations cannot be reliably made on either the 80+ Certification or the brand name. The following in your list have both super crappy PSUs and some good ones:

Antec
Corsair (yes, Corsair is playing this game now too)
EVGA

SeaSonic might have some crappy ones, but I don't know.

Whenever people ask me about PSUs I just automatically link them to the Recommended PSU Thread on here and I get told that you guys are idiots and that Corsair is the best brand. I just shake my head at those people, tell them to do whatever they want but if their computer has a power supply related problem after I gave them advice on what to get or what to look at at least, and then walk away. Everyone I go to school with says avoid SeaSonic like it's the plague of PSU manufacturers and I just laugh. If people won't let me help them I will just let them screw themselves over in building their computers. Same goes for any other suggestions I make too.

Sorry for the OT there UPGR4Y3DD, Zagen30 covered most anything that I would have said.

Doesn't Seasonic have a good reputation like Corsair headscratch.gif

Indeed, many wealthy "enthusiasts" are quite ignorant. But those are the same people that dump cheap used parts on Craigslist, and they're terrible at haggling yessir.gif
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When it comes to PSUs, recommendations cannot be reliably made on either the 80+ Certification or the brand name. The following in your list have both super crappy PSUs and some good ones:

Antec
Corsair (yes, Corsair is playing this game now too)
EVGA

SeaSonic might have some crappy ones, but I don't know.

the 80+ rating actually has no meaning... its made on assumptions made by manufacturers. There is no centralized PC PSU rating organisation, so essentially someone can rate their PSU an 80+ platinum while getting the efficiency of an Orion that comes with a 30$ alpha z1000 case. I know that there are certain standards to be met, but there is no institution for ratings in the PSU world. So go off of brand names, stuff that wont blow up in your face like corsair or seasonic, i personally like Corsairs. (thermaltake smart 1200 comes to mind, seen one of those legit blow smoke in the users face, was funny when we tested it for RMA XD it almost set fire to our store)
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When it comes to PSUs, recommendations cannot be reliably made on either the 80+ Certification or the brand name. The following in your list have both super crappy PSUs and some good ones:

Antec
Corsair (yes, Corsair is playing this game now too)
EVGA

SeaSonic might have some crappy ones, but I don't know.

the 80+ rating actually has no meaning... its made on assumptions made by manufacturers. There is no centralized PC PSU rating organisation, so essentially someone can rate their PSU an 80+ platinum while getting the efficiency of an Orion that comes with a 30$ alpha z1000 case. I know that there are certain standards to be met, but there is no institution for ratings in the PSU world. So go off of brand names, stuff that wont blow up in your face like corsair or seasonic, i personally like Corsairs. (thermaltake smart 1200 comes to mind, seen one of those legit blow smoke in the users face, was funny when we tested it for RMA XD it almost set fire to our store)

No, you go off the original manufacturer, not the brand that sells it. That's essentially the message of the whole OCN PSU section.
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