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Originally Posted by Jolly Roger View Post
 

So I dont use 8, but my wifes laptop has it. So I dont have extensive knowledge of it, but one thing that has driven me batty with it so far, is the photo viewer. On vacations, we take lots of pictures, so naturally there are a lot of junk shots, like blurry, fingers, ugly, etc. 

So in W7, I just que up the whole folder of pics in picture viewer and blow through the folder of pics in a flash. 

 

DEL, ENTER, DEL, ENTER, RIGHT ARROW, RIGHT ARROW, DEL, ENTER.... ETC. That way I can zoom through getting rid of pictures in W7 very quickly. I may be a moron, but I cannot figure out how to do that in 8.1. Its always find the stupid garbage can icon, (like on a tablet or phone) with the mouse and then manually delete it. Its a huge pain. 

 

There may be a better way to do it, but I havent found it. Makes me so frustrated to use it I will put all the pics on my Desktop just to go through pictures. 

 

Also, trying to figure out how to get out of programs is stupid. The best way I can figure how to do it is alt-F4. Which to me is a big pain to have to do. ESC doesnt even really work. Can't minimize apps. 

 

    Yes, I agree that the Windows 8 Metro Photo Viewer is terrible.  The worst thing about it for me is that you can't press [Esc] to close it, and when you do close it with [Alt]+[F4], Windows goes back to the Start Screen (even with Classic Shell installed) instead of back to my work (usually File Explorer, a.k.a. Windows Explorer).  I heartily recommend IrfanView instead.  It opens/navigates pictures faster, it can delete photos just like you mentioned, and it is easy to close by simply hitting [Esc].  Microsoft simply needs to get their act together.

 

 

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The only "hot key" come that I miss from Win 7 is that I used to tap the windows key arrow over and press enter to shut the machine down. Arrow up or down if I wanted to log off or restart. That isn't really a hot key though...and now days I just reach over press my power switch instead.

I think all of the hot keys are still the same...but now there there are a bunch of new ones and of course the Aero related ones are gone.

But...
Win key + number will still launch your pinned applications
Win key + R still opens Run
Win key + D still goes to desktop (but not from the start screen)
Win key + E still opens Windows Explorer (or whatever they call it now)


I could go on and on...I can't think of any that I've seen missing.

My one and only complaint on Win8 is that if you go looking for a rarely used application, that you don't know the name of, you have to use the "All Apps Screen". Which is this horrific mess that might resemble what you would get if you expanded every folder in the start menu and plastered it across the screen with no option to collapse any thing. Applications are still organized by what the top level folder in the Start Menu would have been, but all the sub menus are just mashed together. It isn't too big of a deal for my personal use, but if I work from home I have to use a VM of Win7 I setup for work purposes because it is just a pain. Had they just made that all apps screen collapsible with sub menus...it would have been actually useful and the OS pretty much perfect in my opinion...though I never do anything with the "Metro" Start Screen besides when I tap the Win key to search for something and for that it works fine.

 

    The [Win]+[D] keyboard shortcut takes me to the desktop even from the Start Screen in Windows 8.1.  Windows Explorer is now called "File Explorer" in Windows 8.1.  And I agree about the "horrific mess" that the "All Apps" screen can be.  I think Microsoft would rather you type what you're looking for into the search bar.  Of course, that doesn't help if you can't think of the name right off.

 

 

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I also don't get how people have to go to the registery to disable UAC. I just moved the slider down and the pop ups were never to be seen again. Just like in windows 7.

 

    In Windows 8, moving that slider all the way down no longer disables UAC.  It simply automatically elevates without showing a message.  All applications are still started in non-elevated mode until they ask for elevation.  There are several problems with this:

  • Some applications simply don't know to request elevation, and will fail even though you have UAC "disabled" and are logged in as an Administrator.  regsvr32.exe is a good example of this.
  • Applications that are elevated cannot communicate with applications that are not elevated.  You can see this behavior easily by creating a desktop icon for Notepad, right-clicking it and clicking "Run as Administrator".  Then open File Explorer, navigate to "C:\Windows" and try dragging "system.ini" or "win.ini" onto Notepad.  Nothing happens.  Run Notepad normally.  The file(s) you drop onto Notepad will now open.
  • Applications that don't know to ask for network credentials (which are most of them), will not have network credentials validated after elevation.  In other words, you browse to shared files on a computer on your network that uses password protected sharing.  Windows will ask you for username and password to gain access.  Now, applications at File Explorer's level (non-elevated) can access files on that remote computer.  But non-elevated programs will have no access, and most of them won't even give a network login dialog, so there will be no way for you to gain access for those applications.

 

    So, the only way to actually disable UAC in Windows 8 is to change HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableLUA to 0 (zero) and reboot.  But then Metro apps no longer work.  Thank you, Microsoft.

 

 

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How did you disallow it from connecting to the internet?

Built-in "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security" of course:

 

    I believe that this will also prevent live tile updates on the Start Screen, and application signature verifying.

 

 

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*EDIT* Also they did something with cleartype? At least according to what little I could find on the subject of some programs / apps being stupidly blurry. So 200 bucks on an OS that has had decent backwards compatability for 20 years all the sudden blurs out anything not win 8 native. More of that touch screen nonsense.

 

    No, ClearType remains good as usual.  What you're experiencing is an extremely stupid decision of Microsoft's to remove the XP Style Scaling option from Windows 8.1.  That alone is a deal-breaker for me.  Basically, Windows now renders every application that does not specifically report that it supports high DPI (which are most of them) at 96 DPI.  Windows then stretches that 96 DPI bitmap out to the DPI size that you asked for.  This causes the blurring.  I wrote a program that can add programs to the Windows compatibility list and enable "High DPI support" for each appliction so that they display clearly.  For more information, see this thread.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bearybear View Post

Probably caused by running them in high priority? It's also worth opening Folder Options, View, scroll down to the bottom of Advanced settings and tick "Launch folder windows in a separate process", click Apply, and Ok. This means if if something causes an explorer instance to hang, other instances including the taskbar will be running fine in their own instance.

 

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Originally Posted by Bearybear View Post

I'd love to know why it isn't set by default.

 

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
 

It might be something that some computers can't handle. Not sure.

 

    It makes new Explorer windows take a fraction of a second longer to open, and uses a little more memory.  I also enable this option and wish enabled was the default.

 

 

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I am trying to try the free 90-day 8.1 Enterprise Evaluation. What I mean is, I installed it to a spare drive, but finishing the process of configuring it so that it's the way I want it to be is proving to be identical to eating a meal that doesn't taste good to me: I just don't want to finish it. Or perhaps more accurate: it's like playing the single player campaign of a game that I'm really not liking: I just don't want to finish it. I haven't installed any of my programs yet.

 

I was enthusiastic about it at first, but I'm losing interest already. I have a feeling that I'll be giving up and formatting that drive very soon. Maybe even today. lol

 

    Welcome to the club.  That's exactly my reaction to Windows 8.  Rather than rehash everything again, I'll just point you to a post I wrote (and am maintaining) about the things I don't like (OK, hate) about Windows 8x.

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I believe that this will also prevent live tile updates on the Start Screen, and application signature verifying.

Never had any live tiles so I wouldn't know, but I'd be grateful if you'd expand on "application signature verifying".
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    These dialogs (screenshots from Windows Vista with Classic theme) are what I was referring to:




    When you click on a program that was downloaded from the Internet, Windows Explorer checks the security certificate to make sure that it is valid, and then displays the second dialog seen above.
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Sure he could, but not all of us like to wipe our OS just to TRY a new one. (yes, I know I can make a backup image, but that isn't really an option when you have more disk space used on your system than any external drive is capable of supporting).

Actually, trying it in a VM is easier than any of the above...
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When you click on a program that was downloaded from the Internet, Windows Explorer checks the security certificate to make sure that it is valid, and then displays the second dialog seen above

And in Windows 8.1 they expanded on it's functionality and called it Smartscreen, which is the very thing I intended to block hahaha
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Actually, trying it in a VM is easier than any of the above...

I agree its easier but VMs don't perform the same. My win 8 vm runs no where near as fast as running on the host
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Actually, trying it in a VM is easier than any of the above...

VM doesn't give a good indication of the performance or stability of any OS, and also can cause some other issues that can alter ones perception of the product.

Basically it's not so great for figuring out if you want to actually switch to a new OS unless your only concerns are OS exclusive software and the default GUI.
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VM doesn't give a good indication of the performance or stability of any OS, and also can cause some other issues that can alter ones perception of the product.

Basically it's not so great for figuring out if you want to actually switch to a new OS unless your only concerns are OS exclusive software and the default GUI.


I had issues with hardware acceleration and windows 8 causing OS to feel slow. Put it on the actual hardware and it was smooth as butter.
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I agree its easier but VMs don't perform the same. My win 8 vm runs no where near as fast as running on the host

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VM doesn't give a good indication of the performance or stability of any OS, and also can cause some other issues that can alter ones perception of the product.

Basically it's not so great for figuring out if you want to actually switch to a new OS unless your only concerns are OS exclusive software and the default GUI.

I thought we were talking about software environment, but ok, if we're talking about that kind of stuff as well, then I suppose.
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I think that I've given up on evaluating it. It's been 3 days now and I haven't even touched it. I've even unplugged the drive because it had added about 1 and a half seconds to my startup time in Windows 7. lol

 

I dunno. I just feel at this point that evaluating Windows 8.1 (the Enterprise Evaluation) is a waste of my time. I can see that I'm never going to like it 100% like I do Windows 7. I mean, seriously: there isn't even one tiny little thing that I dislike about Windows 7, but I can think of at least a dozen things that I hate about Windows 8.1 and I can see already that nothing will fix that - not Classic Shell, Start8, etc. etc. etc. There are things I don't like about it that I'm not finding any fixes for. lol So, screw it. lol

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