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oh And my network connectivity drops quite often. Reboot fixes it most of the time.

 

Hmm. I'm not having that issue over here. I wonder if it's some kind of compatibility issue or a driver issue.

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Hmm. I'm not having that issue over here. I wonder if it's some kind of compatibility issue or a driver issue.


the only issue I've had is once my PC boots it hangs on the desktop for about 10 seconds before I can click anything, I have a Corsair ssd and I didn't have this issue on Win7
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the only issue I've had is once my PC boots it hangs on the desktop for about 10 seconds before I can click anything, I have a Corsair ssd and I didn't have this issue on Win7

I think I had a similar issue after I reinstalled Windows 8.1. It was caused by some issue between explorer.exe and the Defender antivirus you get by default on 8 and 8.1. I changed to the free version of Avast which is also completely silent just like Microsoft's tool if you enable its "gaming mode", so seems like an alright replacement.

Before reinstalling Windows, there was no problem for some reason. I originally had 7 and upgraded to 8 and later upgraded to 8.1 and everything was always running fine.

EDIT:

I remembered something that might be interesting. Programs often install some sort of plugins into explorer.exe. I think those will already be active when it starts drawing the desktop, will not only for File Explorer windows. You can view everything about those plugins with this tool here:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html

You might be able to fix the problem if you find out that one of those extensions is at fault. For me, I noticed something's going on with what my backup program (Acronis True Image) installs into explorer.exe. I don't quite remember how the problems looked like exactly, but they are gone after disabling the Acronis extensions. tongue.gif
Edited by deepor - 4/13/14 at 5:22pm
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With this spring update I can no longer use the bottom left corner to exit weather or go to desktop rather than clicking the desktop tile. Stupid Windows. I was using that shortcut, why'd you remove it? WHY?!? I use ONE metro app and you have to make even that a pain.

Well whatever, I'm exited about the new start menu coming out so I can upgrade customers to Windows 8.1 and not feel bad about it. At least they're thinking a little harder now.

EDIT: Wait a minute, it seems the only way to exit fullscreen metro is with the windows key, I must have broken something..
Edited by cookieboyeli - 4/13/14 at 5:21pm
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I think I had a similar issue after I reinstalled Windows 8.1. It was caused by some issue between explorer.exe and the Defender antivirus you get by default on 8 and 8.1. I changed to the free version of Avast which is also completely silent just like Microsoft's tool if you enable its "gaming mode", so seems like an alright replacement.

Before reinstalling Windows, there was no problem for some reason. I originally had 7 and upgraded to 8 and later upgraded to 8.1 and everything was always running fine.

EDIT:

I remembered something that might be interesting. Programs often install some sort of plugins into explorer.exe. I think those will already be active when it starts drawing the desktop, will not only for File Explorer windows. You can view everything about those plugins with this tool here:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html

You might be able to fix the problem if you find out that one of those extensions is at fault. For me, I noticed something's going on with what my backup program (Acronis True Image) installs into explorer.exe. I don't quite remember how the problems looked like exactly, but they are gone after disabling the Acronis extensions. tongue.gif

 

I had to completely disable Windows Defender and even Windows Firewall to stop File Explorer from taking a long time to load folder windows. Thumbs.db still seems to get deleted randomly, but it's no longer an extremely long wait for the new one to get created. I love it, even though I hate that Windows 7 never deletes Thumbs.db and Windows 8.1 does - well, sometimes - it's not often enough to make me go "Forget this. I'm going back to Windows 7". lol It's too minor and too infrequent, which is pretty nice when I consider what it would be like with Windows Defender enabled (and perhaps also Windows Firewall).

 

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With this spring update I can no longer use the bottom left corner to exit weather or go to desktop rather than clicking the desktop tile. Stupid Windows. I was using that shortcut, why'd you remove it? WHY?!? I use ONE metro app and you have to make even that a pain.

 

This won't help, but I avoided that update because I knew it was going to mess up the perfection that I have going here. I know that I can't get future updates without it, but I don't use Windows Update anyway.

 

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Well whatever, I'm exited about the new start menu coming out so I can upgrade customers to Windows 8.1 and not feel bad about it. At least they're thinking a little harder now.

 

Why not do this for all of your customers?

 

Install StartIsBack+

 

Install Gadgets Revived

 

Install Old New Explorer

 

Of course, this is only if they would rather not have to deal with the Modern UI and would much rather have what they're familiar with.

 

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EDIT: Wait a minute, it seems the only way to exit fullscreen metro is with the windows key, I must have broken something..

 

What about Esc? If I press Esc in the Modern UI Start Menu, then it goes away. Esc and WinKey are the only two things that make it go away for me outside of clicking "Desktop" (when I still have it pinned), and I don't even have Update 1.

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That is a really professional looking way to use the quote system there. I can't be bothered to try and figure it out though...
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*snip*

Why not do this for all of your customers?

Install StartIsBack+

Install Gadgets Revived

Install Old New Explorer

Of course, this is only if they would rather not have to deal with the Modern UI and would much rather have what they're familiar with.
____

What about Esc? If I press Esc in the Modern UI Start Menu, then it goes away. Esc and WinKey are the only two things that make it go away for me outside of clicking "Desktop" (when I still have it pinned), and I don't even have Update 1.

Nope, only Winkey works. I should also note the ability to grab and resize the metro windows is now gone once the new metro close and minimize buttons auto-hide. The buttons and hot corner functionality don't come back unless I switch out, wait a few seconds, then switch back into the app.

I have been getting an error during system restarts stating that explorer.exe has crashed or something. But I really have very little installed in my system. The only things I can think of that would be that invasive are Auslogics Boost Speed and Windows Defender, but I think that's already disabled since Antivirus is for babies. wink.gif
I need the firewall though or else Bandicam & 3Dmark may become "unregistered".

I'm against modifying the base interface of Windows beyond what is originally intended, even if the intentions are stupid. Besides, less is more. People can use explorer just fine and don't miss/even remember gadgets if I show them cool things like the weather app. As for the start screen/menu replacements... The customers I service only need "the internet" so a tile for google chrome and "weather" the app is all it takes of actual tiles or desktop shortcuts.

I am however against the use of any Windows "default" applications including the desktop and metro photo, video, PDF and TXT viewers. Compatibility and simplicity are extremely important and windows fails miserably on those points. Solution? Install Infranview to handle all images. PDF's get associated with chrome, Notepad2 replaces Notepad, and Shark007 codecs with MPC-BE to handle ALL videos. Any format in the universe, corrupted, interrupted, reconstructed, whatever. It'll play. I have MPC-BE set to use a "minimal" interface (just the seek bar) pause and play are a click away, doubleclick for fullscreen, top right has a hidden X button that appears when you go near it. Simple, minimal. Everything they need and nothing they don't. Which brings me to my last point, Ad Block Plus with the "Ultimate Everything" list. It even catches trackers social media website garbage. I haven't seen a "Like it on facebook" button in so long that I can't even remember what they look like. Even casual facebook users don't seem t mind that little change. This makes browsing faster, waaaay less cluttered, and most importantly way safer from things that just seem to sneak in. Windows defender isn't even needed and sometimes I disable it all together if the user is the type who is not likely to install anything ever.

Right, I was halfway through writing that before I realized I'm off subject entirely and ranting but It's an interesting topic and I'd like your opinions/suggestions about anything I've said. Feedback can only help me grow. (Or reduce me to a pile of tears). tongue.gif
Edited by cookieboyeli - 4/13/14 at 10:39pm
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That is a really professional looking way to use the quote system there. I can't be bothered to try and figure it out though...

 

I use the Rich Text Editor. Before I begin typing, I Select All, Copy, then I put my cursor after the part that I want to reply to, press Ctrl+Shift+End, Del, and then I put a hard return after the quote like I have here, and I start typing. :) If I have another quote beneath it that I will be replying to afterward, then I don't press Ctrl+Shift+End and then Del, but instead I just... wow. I would need a video to describe this, but I put my cursor right before the word "Quote", but before the indentation (so, one line above the word Quote). Then, I Shift+Arrow Down until I feel as though I've selected some invisible space underneath the quote block. If I don't do that but I just go to the last word in the quote, then I don't end up selecting the Close Tag for the quote block code (sure, I could do it manually in the source code editor, but that would consume more time than I want it to lol).

 

Anyway, when I'm done typing my reply, I press Enter 2 times and I press Ctrl+V. Then, I delete the section(s) that I  have already replied to very carefully so that I don't end up with the post having absolutely no hard returns underneath the poster's name. This seems to be easiest by putting my cursor precisely at the very beginning of that section (directly to the left of the first letter) and then I just select it all and press Del. Then, I put my cursor after the section I want to reply to like before, press Ctrl+Shift+End, Del, and type some more stuff. :)

 

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Nope, only Winkey works. I should also note the ability to grab and resize the metro windows is now gone once the new metro close and minimize buttons auto-hide. The buttons and hot corner functionality don't come back unless I switch out, wait a few seconds, then switch back into the app.

 

Wow. If this is the way Microsoft designed it (I'm not saying that it is yet - it could be a glitch on your end), then I have to laugh, clap, and say "Wow. Good job, Microsoft! hahaha"

 

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I have been getting an error during system restarts stating that explorer.exe has crashed or something. But I really have very little installed in my system. The only things I can think of that would be that invasive are Auslogics Boost Speed and Windows Defender, but I think that's already disabled since Antivirus is for babies. wink.gif

 

You're damn right it is, but I don't want to say that too loudly on here or else I'll get yelled at by a ton of other members who strongly disagree, or who think that I'm flat-out incorrect. However, my 15 years of being without any security software without having any problems whatsoever should kind of prove otherwise.

 

Anyway, get rid of Auslogics Boost Speed. It's not helping. lol You could do exactly what it does and BETTER. ;) Actually, I would venture a guess that it's causing all of these problems. These kind programs are for noobs, not you. You're far above that.

 

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I need the firewall though or else Bandicam & 3Dmark may become "unregistered".

 

Aw man. :(

 

Still, I wonder if I even needed to disable the Windows Firewall to complete the task of getting rid of that long File Explorer load-time. Hmm.... Do you have that problem? You have Windows Defender completely disabled with Firewall enabled, so I'm quite curious!

 

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I'm against modifying the base interface of Windows beyond what is originally intended, even if the intentions are stupid. Besides, less is more. People can use explorer just fine and don't miss/even remember gadgets if I show them cool things like the weather app. As for the start screen/menu replacements... The customers I service only need "the internet" so a tile for google chrome and "weather" the app is all it takes of actual tiles or desktop shortcuts.

 

You're not modifying it though. You're using what I would call, temporary modifications that aren't very deep into Windows. They just look like it. For any customer who would much rather have Windows 7, the combo of StartIsBack+, Gadgets Revived and Old New Explorer is perfect. Thanks to that combo, I have Windows 7 in Windows 8.1. :) I tried others including Classic Shell, and they all suck in comparison for me. Big time.

 

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I am however against the use of any Windows "default" applications including the desktop and metro photo, video, PDF and TXT viewers.

 

Wait, including the desktop? I'm confused by what you mean. Help?

 

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Compatibility and simplicity are extremely important and windows fails miserably on those points. Solution? Install Infranview to handle all images.

 

Oh. I just tell Windows 8.1 to use Windows Photo Viewer instead. I just don't know any better, nor do I really need to. I enjoy using Windows Photo Viewer, but I will also view images and photos in Paint (not for editing, but just for viewing).

 

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PDF's get associated with chrome

 

Wow. I associate my PDFs with Adobe Acrobat Reader, but in Firefox I use Firefox. However, I'm also not building computers for people like you are. lol I wonder how much of what I do would change if I started building computers for other people. lol

 

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Notepad2 replaces Notepad

 

hahaha my parents never see Notepad unless I use it in front of them. The first time I used it, my mom (who is far more tech-savvy and computer-friendly than my dad) was like, "What is that?" I was like, "Um... Notepad? You mean you've never seen this before?" I mean I was seriously surprised. Now, with my dad, well, I'm never surprised. He's just happy to know how to turn the computer on and access his e-mail. He still doesn't understand what he's doing, but he knows what he must do in order to see his e-mails and maybe compose one or two once a month. lol

 

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Shark007 codecs with MPC-BE to handle ALL videos.

 

That's over my head and it makes me feel like I'm behind the times. I didn't know that there's a BE version of MPC. lol Is that "Black Edition"?

 

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Any format in the universe, corrupted, interrupted, reconstructed, whatever. It'll play.

 

Whoa. Hmm. That sounds like it's extremely useful and handy for people who aren't computer-friendly!

 

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I have MPC-BE set to use a "minimal" interface (just the seek bar) pause and play are a click away, doubleclick for fullscreen, top right has a hidden X button that appears when you go near it. Simple, minimal. Everything they need and nothing they don't. Which brings me to my last point, Ad Block Plus with the "Ultimate Everything" list. It even catches trackers social media website garbage. I haven't seen a "Like it on facebook" button in so long that I can't even remember what they look like. Even casual facebook users don't seem t mind that little change. This makes browsing faster, waaaay less cluttered, and most importantly way safer from things that just seem to sneak in. Windows defender isn't even needed and sometimes I disable it all together if the user is the type who is not likely to install anything ever.


In Ad Block Plus, do you mean "EasyList"?

 

I also use NoScript (not really good though for computer-illiterate people or people who don't have much patience) and MVPS.org's Hosts file. However, the Host file results in not being able to click product links that link to the online retailer in Google Shopping and in PCPartPicker, so it must be edited for that. Otherwise, yeah, I haven't seen ads or anything like you mentioned in so long that I usually forget that they even exist.

 

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Right, I was halfway through writing that before I realized I'm off subject entirely and ranting but It's an interesting topic and I'd like your opinions/suggestions about anything I've said. Feedback can only help me grow. (Or reduce me to a pile of tears). tongue.gif

 

Well, I do admit that I don't think I'd be of any value because I don't build computers for other people. However, if were to do so, then I don't know what I would do or how I do things would change - if at all. Personally, I would probably just use Windows Media Player for all videos, Quicktime for all Quicktime videos, Winamp for all audio files (no exceptions), Notepad for all .txt and .cfg files (I don't see any reason for Notepad2 for simple computer users like your customers), and Wordpad for .doc documents unless they want Microsoft Word or some other office program(s).

 

So, like I said, I'd use Windows Photo Viewer (but probably because I don't know any better or want to), Acrobat Reader, and I'd probably even give them a choice between Chrome and Firefox, but it would depend on the person. I know that sometimes you can tell what a person would prefer. I might even just let them use IE if they mention any preference, like "I'm used to IE and so that's what I want. I don't want to have to get used to a different browser". Instead of saying, "but Chrome or Firefox is better", I'd just say, "Oh, ok cool. No problem". The customer is always right. It's their money, not mine.

 

With Windows 8.1, I might ask my customer (if I were to ever have customers) if they would prefer to have Windows 7 so that they have what they are familiar with. Then, I'd go from there. If I get kind of a "yes" from them in some form or another, the I'd probably use StartIsBack+, Gadgets Revived and Old New Explorer. If I get any indication that they are looking forward to using the new interface in Windows 8.1, then I'd probably skip that and just try to set it up as best as I can that way even though it would probably be a pain in my ass at first. lol

 

I dunno, everyone's different. Me though, I'd find out as much as I can about my customer's preferences before doing anything.


Edited by TwoCables - 4/14/14 at 10:04am
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You should check out ClassicShell if you didn't yet do it. It's completely free unlike StartIsBack so might be a better choice to recommend to people. It seems like a perfect Windows 7 start menu replacement to me and is probably a little better than the original. There are one or two possibilities to configure it differently that actually make me miss it when using a Windows 7 machine.
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1.No way to save thumbnail cache windows 8.1, the cache rebuilds every time you reboot windows. My thumbnail cache is over 1 gigabyte, so it takes probably 10 minutes to rebuild the cache. Preventing windows from deleting the cache was easy (relatively) in windows 7

2. Only 4 choices for size of thumbnail icons in windows explorer in windows 8. In Windows 7 you have a choice of 75 different sizes if you use mouse scrollwheel. 4 to 75, nice job MSoft.

3. Overclocks are no longer stable in windows 8 where they are rock stable in windows 7, even when using prime95 with avx and linX with AVX. After switching back to windows 7, overclocks were fully stable again. Maybe I could figure out why I BSOD in windows 8 if stupid BSOD screen actaully gave out useful codes instead of this frown.gif
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You should check out ClassicShell if you didn't yet do it. It's completely free unlike StartIsBack so might be a better choice to recommend to people. It seems like a perfect Windows 7 start menu replacement to me and is probably a little better than the original. There are one or two possibilities to configure it differently that actually make me miss it when using a Windows 7 machine.

 

I already tried Classic Shell and I hated it.

 

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1.No way to save thumbnail cache windows 8.1, the cache rebuilds every time you reboot windows. My thumbnail cache is over 1 gigabyte, so it takes probably 10 minutes to rebuild the cache. Preventing windows from deleting the cache was easy (relatively) in windows 7

 

Disable Windows Defender. If this doesn't speed it up, then also disable Windows Firewall. I disabled both and I no longer have to wait. Some folders seem to NEVER lose Thumbs.db now.

 

 

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2. Only 4 choices for size of thumbnail icons in windows explorer in windows 8. In Windows 7 you have a choice of 75 different sizes if you use mouse scrollwheel. 4 to 75, nice job MSoft.

 

Don't you mean 75 to 4? hehe :)

 

Yeah, they think they're really clever by over-simplifying certain things. However, I didn't know that there were 75. I never ever used any other sizes other than the 4, and that's the way the vast majority of their customers are. They looked at the way most people used Windows and found that the vast majority never used any of the sizes outside of the 4.

 

 

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3. Overclocks are no longer stable in windows 8 where they are rock stable in windows 7, even when using prime95 with avx and linX with AVX. After switching back to windows 7, overclocks were fully stable again. Maybe I could figure out why I BSOD in windows 8 if stupid BSOD screen actaully gave out useful codes instead of this frown.gif

 

This isn't the case for me. It could be that your overclock wasn't truly stable to begin with.

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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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