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I think I had a similar issue after I reinstalled Windows 8.1. It was caused by some issue between explorer.exe and the Defender antivirus you get by default on 8 and 8.1. I changed to the free version of Avast which is also completely silent just like Microsoft's tool if you enable its "gaming mode", so seems like an alright replacement.

Before reinstalling Windows, there was no problem for some reason. I originally had 7 and upgraded to 8 and later upgraded to 8.1 and everything was always running fine.

EDIT:

I remembered something that might be interesting. Programs often install some sort of plugins into explorer.exe. I think those will already be active when it starts drawing the desktop, will not only for File Explorer windows. You can view everything about those plugins with this tool here:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html

You might be able to fix the problem if you find out that one of those extensions is at fault. For me, I noticed something's going on with what my backup program (Acronis True Image) installs into explorer.exe. I don't quite remember how the problems looked like exactly, but they are gone after disabling the Acronis extensions. tongue.gif


that is the issue i'm having, i will disable the built in firewall and built in defender, I use NOD32 anyways so I will not have any security issues.
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Well, I made my final decision on Windows 8.1 today. I'm done with it. I went back to Windows 7. I have a bunch of reasons, one of them being the File Explorer issue, but there were many others that crept up that would take a while to explain. So, it turns out that Windows 8.1 isn't for me at all.

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Well, I made my final decision on Windows 8.1 today. I'm done with it. I went back to Windows 7. I have a bunch of reasons, one of them being the File Explorer issue, but there were many others that crept up that would take a while to explain. So, it turns out that Windows 8.1 isn't for me at all.

I still don't understand what's so great about 7. It takes about 10 minutes to make 8.1 completely indistinguishable from it, and then you get the benefit of an OS that's actually designed for modern hardware.
    
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I still don't understand what's so great about 7. It takes about 10 minutes to make 8.1 completely indistinguishable from it, and then you get the benefit of an OS that's actually designed for modern hardware.

You know, something like that is what I found out about myself and Windows after being shocked by 8 and all the full-screen stuff it did by default.

While I was wondering what MS was thinking, I also noticed that if I was honest, I never really liked 7. It turns out I was actually pretty indifferent to Windows in general. 7 was better than XP and stuff, but that does not mean it's something I feel I should describe by strong words like "great". 7 doesn't really do much on the surface.

I wasn't really thinking about what's actually going on at all before seeing 8. On the screen, there's that task-bar that's also some sort of dock and programs are in their window that you can move around. Then you just go and do your work or play with your actual programs. There's not a lot going on about 7 itself that you can say you like other than it seems simple and works (which I guess can actually be a pretty great feature). This can also be described as annoying as I bet the same experience could also work in a tiny package that does not use as much space on the drive etc.

On other operating systems, there's some ideas that can be a little out there and feel seriously strange, and that stuff you can actually love or hate (like that 8 full-screen stuff).
Edited by deepor - 4/20/14 at 7:12am
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You know, something like that is what I found out about myself and Windows after being shocked by 8 and all the full-screen stuff it did by default.

While I was wondering what MS was thinking, I also noticed that if I was honest, I never really liked 7. It turns out I was actually pretty indifferent to Windows in general. 7 was better than XP and stuff, but that does not mean it's something I feel I should describe by strong words like "great". 7 doesn't really do much on the surface.

I wasn't really thinking about what's actually going on at all before seeing 8. On the screen, there's that task-bar that's also some sort of dock and programs are in their window that you can move around. Then you just go and do your work or play with your actual programs. There's not a lot going on about 7 itself that you can say you like other than it seems simple and works (which I guess can actually be a pretty great feature). This can also be described as annoying as I bet the same experience could also work in a tiny package that does not use as much space on the drive etc.

On other operating systems, there's some ideas that can be a little out there and feel seriously strange, and that stuff you can actually love or hate (like that 8 full-screen stuff).

I have to agree with you here. I'm not real "fan" of any operating system, I go where the best performance is. Windows 8 has a tickless kernal, windows 7 doesn't. Windows 8 starts up light lightning and the update reminders are not nearly so annoying. Bam. Sold. I don't use windows default anything (aside from the basics like file explorer and start menu) so as far as I'm concerned the newest edition is always the best. If I have a problem I don't switch versions because of it, I solve it or die trying.

In this case TwoCables all but "died trying", his final solution WAS to move back to Windows 7.

I must say, after booting up my old raid with 7 and seeing Aero for the first time in a while, it occurred to me that Windows 7 is simply better looking overall than Windows 8. And I'm really not biased whatsoever, the observation was completly automatic. I wasn't even looking to compare. I sure do hope they bring back Aero in a future version of windows.
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I still don't understand what's so great about 7. It takes about 10 minutes to make 8.1 completely indistinguishable from it, and then you get the benefit of an OS that's actually designed for modern hardware.

 

For the way that I use my computer, Windows 7 is superior. Yes, I essentially perfectly replicated Windows 7 in Windows 8.1, but I still had personal issues with it. The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back is the annoyingly and irritatingly slow loading time in File Explorer due to Thumbs.db getting deleted like every frickin' day. This is because I do not keep my computer on 24/7 and also because I have disabled Hibernation Mode. That means that when I shut down, it actually shuts down instead of just going into Hybrid Sleep. So, essentially, I was rebooting every day. I thought that I had that problem licked, but I was dead wrong. It's just a STUPID problem that I REFUSE TO DEAL WITH!

 

Think about this for a minute: what sense does it make for me to BUY Windows 8.1 when I'm just going to be making it identical to Windows 7 anyway? What sense does it make for me to move to Windows 8.1 if I have to deal with problems in Windows 8.1 that I NEVER have to deal with in Windows 7?!

 

There were other issues that I just got sick of dealing with, such as this one:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1480884/windows-8-1-problem-replace-or-skip-files-dialog-box-not-getting-focus-doesnt-open-on-top

 

I never have to deal with that in Windows 7. EVER. So again, why should I buy Windows 8.1?

 

Oh, and then there's the EXTREMELY MINOR issues that I had with Microsoft Outlook 2003 due to it no longer being supported AT ALL. For example: no more mailto! Or, type an e-mail address in the To field and Outlook will suggest a previously-typed e-mail address, BUT I CAN'T SELECT IT!! In Windows 7? NO PROBLEM! I have mailto and I can select those "nicknames", as they're called (the previously-typed e-mail address that get suggested as I type). So, if I buy Windows 8.1, then guess what! I'll also have to buy Outlook 2013 and Word 2013! Why 2013? Because I'm finding much lower prices on those than 2010 or 2007. So, buying Windows 8.1 would mean that I would eventually get fed up with Outlook 2003 and buy 2013! Along with that, I would also be forced to get Word 2013 because I prefer to use Word as my e-mail editor. I also use Word for other things, but strangely, Word 2003 works absolutely perfectly in Windows 8.1 as a word processor only.

 

So as you can see, I have a few good reasons for avoiding Windows 8.1. As cookieboyeliy said, I gave Windows 8.1 the best shot that I could. I tried VERY hard to like it, but no matter what, I just couldn't!

 

You see, I live at my computer. No, I really do. I literally wake up, go the bathroom, comb my hair, and sit at my computer. All day. I eat here too. Then, when I can't stay awake anymore, I get up out of this computer chair and go to bed. So, I need my computer to be as pleasing to use as possible. It needs to have either NO irritating behaviors, or VERY FEW, and Windows 8.1 just doesn't deliver. I am MUCH happier with Windows 7 than I ever would be with Windows 8.1, and as you can see now, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with familiarity or anything stupid like that. I literally made that 90-Day Windows 8.1 Enterprise Evaluation my PRIMARY operating system for about 2 weeks. When you live at your computer, that's far more than enough time to give it a full evaluation.


Edited by TwoCables - 4/20/14 at 10:09am
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I have to agree with you here. I'm not real "fan" of any operating system, I go where the best performance is. Windows 8 has a tickless kernal, windows 7 doesn't. Windows 8 starts up light lightning and the update reminders are not nearly so annoying. Bam. Sold. I don't use windows default anything (aside from the basics like file explorer and start menu) so as far as I'm concerned the newest edition is always the best. If I have a problem I don't switch versions because of it, I solve it or die trying.

In this case TwoCables all but "died trying", his final solution WAS to move back to Windows 7.

I must say, after booting up my old raid with 7 and seeing Aero for the first time in a while, it occurred to me that Windows 7 is simply better looking overall than Windows 8. And I'm really not biased whatsoever, the observation was completly automatic. I wasn't even looking to compare. I sure do hope they bring back Aero in a future version of windows.

Aero hasn't gone anywhere; just the gaudy glass that hasn't looked clean or modern since 2009.

Your opinion might be that it looks better, but to imply that your tastes ate inherently correct is kind of arrogant.

I imagine the Windows 9 desktop will take a lot more notes from the metro design language - I'm really looking forward to this.
    
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I bet you can forget ever getting your preferred Outlook to work right on 8. I also had a bunch of problems and all my stuff is much newer than that, and I still had to wait a whole lot until it got fixed. Staying with 7 seems like the best choice.

Thinking back, when 8.1 came out, I couldn't use it. Things wouldn't work right. It took a good bit of waiting until everything worked, like up to three months. It was also seriously fundamental problems like audio device not working at all. There were also software problems of course, not just drivers. All of this was with pretty recent stuff, nothing as old as what you want to use. I think I tried upgrading to 8.1 (including using the disc image for a fresh install) at least four times before I found it working right. I had to restore a backup of my 8 installation each time.

When everything eventually worked I was blaming Gigabyte as I thought a newly released BIOS was the thing that actually fixed it, but it actually seems to have been MS. I currently use some 2012 BIOS for my board and everything runs perfect so that other more recent (beta) BIOS wasn't what fixed issues, has to be some changes in Windows 8.1 instead.
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I still don't understand what's so great about 7. It takes about 10 minutes to make 8.1 completely indistinguishable from it, and then you get the benefit of an OS that's actually designed for modern hardware.

    That statement simply is not true, and I'm not surprised at all that TwoCables went back to Windows 7.
 
 
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I must say, after booting up my old raid with 7 and seeing Aero for the first time in a while, it occurred to me that Windows 7 is simply better looking overall than Windows 8. And I'm really not biased whatsoever, the observation was completly automatic. I wasn't even looking to compare. I sure do hope they bring back Aero in a future version of windows.

    I totally agree with this—Microsoft totally destroyed the aesthetics of Windows 8.  I'll take the Windows ME (or XP classic) theme any day over the "Metro" look.  But alas, Microsoft removed even that option (which is present in Windows 7) from Windows 8. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
 
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