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You still quote about Skyrim. Everybody and their monkey who generally visits OCN knows about the x87 compiler used in Skyrim and have taken the necessary steps to avoid getting poor performance on AMD chips in Skyrim. rolleyes.gif

What steps are those? Do they improve performance on other games like wow as well? Both games are very old and badly optimized

PD: after checking some benchmarks out and reading all comments, I feel kind of sad for getting this AMD processor instead an i7.

But I also feel worse if I just go now and buy an i7, throwing away this AMD CPU/MOBO just months after getting them.

So I decided to... Kind of enjoy this processor for Like 3 years and change to the best i7 processor on that date, if AMD doesn't catch up of course, and at that time I'll do the proper research.

I believe my R9 290X OCed to 1150/1500 will still be a monster in 3 years from now, and changing the cpu to the newest platform will extend its life for another 5 years or so.

Also, I'm feeling a little bit more optimistic after seeing BF4 performance on mantle, its literally even better than the i7 4770K performance on my same card, plus all future Cryengine 3 games will have native support for mantle, so the future may not be that dark for my FX after all.

Time will tell.
Edited by Dargonplay - 4/4/14 at 11:47am
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You still quote about Skyrim. Everybody and their monkey who generally visits OCN knows about the x87 compiler used in Skyrim and have taken the necessary steps to avoid getting poor performance on AMD chips in Skyrim. rolleyes.gif

What steps are those? Do they improve performance on other games like wow as well? Both games are very old and badly optimized

PD: after checking some benchmarks out and reading all comments, I feel kind of sad for getting this AMD processor instead an i7.

But I also feel worse if I just go now and buy an i7, throwing away this AMD CPU/MOBO just months after getting them.

So I decided to... Kind of enjoy this processor for Like 3 years and change to the best i7 processor on that date, if AMD doesn't catch up of course, and at that time I'll do the proper research.

I believe my R9 290X OCed to 1150/1500 will still be a monster in 3 years from now, and changing the cpu to the newest platform will extend its life for another 5 years or so.

Also, I'm feeling a little bit more optimistic after seeing BF4 performance on mantle, its literally even better than the i7 4770K performance on my same card, plus all future Cryengine 3 games will have native support for mantle, so the future may not be that dark for my FX after all.

Time will tell.
You need to download the Bulldozer Conditioner. It is software that will pick up Intel specific compilers and codes in applications such as Cinebench and Skyrim. It will adapt the code with better code and improves the performance of your AMD processor! thumb.gif
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You still quote about Skyrim. Everybody and their monkey who generally visits OCN knows about the x87 compiler used in Skyrim and have taken the necessary steps to avoid getting poor performance on AMD chips in Skyrim. rolleyes.gif

What steps are those? Do they improve performance on other games like wow as well? Both games are very old and badly optimized

PD: after checking some benchmarks out and reading all comments, I feel kind of sad for getting this AMD processor instead an i7.

But I also feel worse if I just go now and buy an i7, throwing away this AMD CPU/MOBO just months after getting them.

So I decided to... Kind of enjoy this processor for Like 3 years and change to the best i7 processor on that date, if AMD doesn't catch up of course, and at that time I'll do the proper research.

I believe my R9 290X OCed to 1150/1500 will still be a monster in 3 years from now, and changing the cpu to the newest platform will extend its life for another 5 years or so.

Also, I'm feeling a little bit more optimistic after seeing BF4 performance on mantle, its literally even better than the i7 4770K performance on my same card, plus all future Cryengine 3 games will have native support for mantle, so the future may not be that dark for my FX after all.

Time will tell.
You need to download the Bulldozer Conditioner. It is software that will pick up Intel specific compilers and codes in applications such as Cinebench and Skyrim. It will adapt the code with better code and improves the performance of your AMD processor! thumb.gif

LOL, what? I've some how never heard of this. I will have to look into this. You are saying it is somehow patching the Intel compiler to not gimp the better instruction sets on a AMD CPU? But post compiling? I...don't even know how this would be possible. Prior to compiling you can tweak the Intel compiler to recognize more CPUs though.
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You still quote about Skyrim. Everybody and their monkey who generally visits OCN knows about the x87 compiler used in Skyrim and have taken the necessary steps to avoid getting poor performance on AMD chips in Skyrim. rolleyes.gif

What steps are those? Do they improve performance on other games like wow as well? Both games are very old and badly optimized

PD: after checking some benchmarks out and reading all comments, I feel kind of sad for getting this AMD processor instead an i7.

But I also feel worse if I just go now and buy an i7, throwing away this AMD CPU/MOBO just months after getting them.

So I decided to... Kind of enjoy this processor for Like 3 years and change to the best i7 processor on that date, if AMD doesn't catch up of course, and at that time I'll do the proper research.

I believe my R9 290X OCed to 1150/1500 will still be a monster in 3 years from now, and changing the cpu to the newest platform will extend its life for another 5 years or so.

Also, I'm feeling a little bit more optimistic after seeing BF4 performance on mantle, its literally even better than the i7 4770K performance on my same card, plus all future Cryengine 3 games will have native support for mantle, so the future may not be that dark for my FX after all.

Time will tell.
You need to download the Bulldozer Conditioner. It is software that will pick up Intel specific compilers and codes in applications such as Cinebench and Skyrim. It will adapt the code with better code and improves the performance of your AMD processor! thumb.gif

LOL, what? I've some how never heard of this. I will have to look into this. You are saying it is somehow patching the Intel compiler to not gimp the better instruction sets on a AMD CPU? But post compiling? I...don't even know how this would be possible. Prior to compiling you can tweak the Intel compiler to recognize more CPUs though.
That is Exactly what I am saying. The Bulldozer conditioner basically negates the Intel Compiler. In Skyrim I'm not quite sure what it does. But AMD removed X87 support when they removed 3D NOW! From their processors. And the Phenom were the last that had 3D Now! So all the Bulldozers and Piledrivers and APU's get munched in Skyrim because of that. Why the developers chose to use code that I haven't seen in the wild since the 386DX processors is a mystery to me. And that is my Intel fangirls LOVES throwing Skyrim benches out there.
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Obviously an FX-8350 is not going to compete with a 4930k in much of anything. No question there.

However, if the FX-8350 can do what you require of it, the performance deficit should be easy to swollow, since you probably spend less than half of what you would on that CPU and board than you would have on the LGA-2011 setup.

Then again, if you are primarily a gamer, you could have paid about the same, if you opted for a lower end board and air cooling, but gotten a rather better experience from a mainstream Haswell setup.
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That is Exactly what I am saying. The Bulldozer conditioner basically negates the Intel Compiler. In Skyrim I'm not quite sure what it does. But AMD removed X87 support when they removed 3D NOW! From their processors. And the Phenom were the last that had 3D Now! So all the Bulldozers and Piledrivers and APU's get munched in Skyrim because of that. Why the developers chose to use code that I haven't seen in the wild since the 386DX processors is a mystery to me. And that is my Intel fangirls LOVES throwing Skyrim benches out there.

The didn't remove x87 support, but it was depreciated. x87 was also a big deal well after the 386DX; it was a significant factor in many apps until SSE2 showed up. The original Athlons that propelled AMD to real prominence were so successful partially because AMD took x87 performance very seriously with them.

Still, you are absolutely correct that x87 rarely has any place in modern apps for modern hardware, and it's pretty ludicrous that Skyrim was using x87 code. I also wholeheartedly agree with the Bulldozer conditioner recommendation to bypass the worst of these anomalies. Still, it's only really handy in a few scenarios.
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If you regret so much your purchase, don't feel too bad. You can easily sell your cpu/mobo combo on craigslist/classified etc.
You will lose a bit but nothing crazy. Really simple and easy solution
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There isn't a dumpster large enough to fit all of the misinformation in this thread. Read with caution. I'm not sure I even want to bother taking the time so I'll simply say this:

A Haswell core has about the same compute resources as an entire piledriver module combined, but it is strapped to a lower latency, higher bandwidth caching and memory controller, with more sophisticated branch prediction. Many of the "advancements" that went into BullDozer architecture, were implemented by Intel in mid-late 2000s on the CORE architecture. The pipeline width of a haswell instruction core is nearly double that of a Bull-Driver core.

The more-cores = future proof concept only holds water if they add up to more performance. Core count in and of itself will never be a measure of performance.
     
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If you have the money, get Intel. Brand loyalty doesn't really get you anything.
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