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Hello all, not quite sure this is exactly the right place for this since I also want to discuss CPU, Motherboards and Coolers. Please move it if needed.

 

Alright so here's the skinny.

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My mom's desktop died (my old AMD build) and since she needs it for editing and such I need to either build her a new one or RMA my CPU in my sig rig since it's also having some issues (voltage problems) and let her have this one (minus the PSU, Fans, Case, and the new 580 Classified I have as well as the peripherals). I've chosen the latter option since I was planning on upgrading anyways. Unfortunately this means I'm having to upgrade ahead of schedule. 

 

 

Information on me and some of my past experiences in PC Architecture (Click to show)
I'm used to AMD (older generations such as Athlon X2 64's like the one that just died in my mom's machine) and Sandy Bridge. I'm looking for no less than a quad core preferably something like an i7. I need it to run relatively cool since the room it'll be in has no shade anymore (storm last year took out all of the surrounding trees). I will be overclocking it of course. I've become accustomed to at least an i5 so won't settle for anything that doesn't at least achieve that performance wise.

 

As much as I don't want to upgrade yet I should be able to spend $600 (maybe $700 if I get a new cooler as well). I was planning on getting a Raza or similar as well as a BD Writer when I upgraded next but I think that's almost definitely out of the question now. 

 

I'm not opposed to one of the newer AMD's but as I said it needs to keep pretty cool. I have an older P67 (ASUS P8P67 Pro) board that should still work (haven't tested yet) if I were to stay with the 1155 socket so I might be able to keep my Sabertooth board and give my mom the P67. The only problem I see with that is obviously for instance Newegg only sells the 2600k or higher and it hasn't dropped in price any at all, despite it being 3 years old. I'm guessing it's because there hasn't been any significant improvements with Ivy Bridge (heard it's horrible for Overclocking) or Haswell (heard it's better than Ivy but haven't heard if it's as good as or better than Sandy). 

 


 

If you're having trouble reading my sig here are the specs of the rig I'm looking to upgrade from and what will likely be kept and not kept. (Click to show)

CPU: Intel Core i5 2500k (it was doing 4.8 GHz; without needing too many volts before this voltage problem, now it barely does stock and still BSOD's occasionally) this one hadn't been run 24/7 unlike what my sig says, power bills were too high

Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth Z77

RAM: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage DDR3 1600 MHZ 1.35v (will probably be kept, though I might have to get some more if I can't find any more DDR3 Sets around the house somewhere, though I might just have mom eat the cost of that since I'm giving her a major upgrade for free as it is)

GPU: EVGA GTX 780 Classified (will be kept)

PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Hybrid 1050W (will be kept)

SSD: Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB SATA6 (will be kept)

Disc Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST (might have to get something new since I think the one my mom is currently using is IDE)

HDD: 1TB Seagate Barracuda SATA3, 1.5TB Western Digital Caviar Green SATA3, 2TB Hitachi Desktar SATA6 (will all be kept)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master TPC 812 (might have to be replaced)

Fans: 5x Cooler Master Excaliber, 5x Cooler Master Turbine Master (will all probably be kept and I'll probably have to buy my mom some new ones if the ones in my old HAF 932 aren't enough)

Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper (I'll be keeping this one and mom will get the HAF 932 if it fits under her desk)

 

If you read all of that and I haven't scared you off then... thanks for reading. Any advice?

Additional Information as to the PCs Intended Usages (Click to show)
I'll be using this new PC for Photo and Video Editing and Encoding. Gaming such as Skyrim with ENB as well as Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham Asylum, Mass Effect Series, Battlefeld 3, and some more intensive games (I'll probably also be playing League of Legends and Neverwinter Online so I'll need a good NIC). I'll also be using this as a HTPC whenever I'm just chilling out.

 

 


Edited by phazer11 - 4/4/14 at 12:43am
     
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Cleaned up the OP a bit so it'll be easier to read. Any takers?

     
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post #4 of 29
To clarify it sounds like you need the following

CPU - Likely a i7
Motherboard - A high end z87 board for overclocking, assuming a Haswell chip.
RAM - 8gb? Or would you prefer 16gb
MAYBE a CPU cooler
DVD writer

That's all right? Because that's pretty easy to do in a $700 budget. Assuming that is all you need.

Something like this would do, although you could get better then this. Just linking it as a example.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461009

The 2500K hasn't dropped in price because people are still buying them.

Haswell is more power efficient and has a higher IPC. Although I hear overclocking them can be a lottery. It also stomps Sandy/Ivy at emulation if that matters to you.
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post #5 of 29
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Thanks for the reply.

Yes I'm likely looking for an i7, though as I said I'd not be opposed to one of the newer AMD chips if performance and heat output are comparable (though I hear they do run hotter). Better emulation might be a nice feature to have but not a deal breaker.

 

It is looking like I'll need to get another set of RAM and a CPU Cooler. I'd prefer 16GB of RAM since I can't see myself using anything less now that I've grown accustomed to the amount (and avoiding all of those pesky "Close X Program to Conserve RAM" messages). I don't know how to feel about MSI, I've had several bad experiences in the past and their support wasn't near as good as ASUS's; at least the few times I've had to deal with them. I haven't had too many experiences dealing with Gigabyte however, since I've only ever had one once. If I were to get a new Disc Drive it'll have to be at least a BD reader if not a writer.


Edited by phazer11 - 4/4/14 at 10:15am
     
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post #6 of 29
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Still not much luck, especially looking for combos on Newegg, can't seem to get it to show me just the PC parts and not all the other junk.

Which cooler would you guys recommend? I'd also welcome it if someone could help me find a good deal on RAM I remember when I bought the 16GB kit in my sig rig for $80-85 now it's like $160


Edited by phazer11 - 4/5/14 at 8:18am
     
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Originally Posted by phazer11 View Post

I'd also welcome it if someone could help me find a good deal on RAM I remember when I bought the 16GB kit in my sig rig for $80-85 now it's like $160


RAM prices have doubled due to them "ramping down production" feels more like price fixing but that could just be me.

Sorry about not replying again earlier, I've been busy.

I'm sticking with a MSI motherboard, because they appear to offer the highest quality/best motherboards for overclocking at the cheapest price, not sure if I can squeeze a Asus motherboard in, but I'll try. There could be cheaper motherboards that clock the same, but that'd require a bit of research. Maybe a Gigabyte Sniper motherboard.

CPU($320) - Intel Core i7-4770K Quad-Core
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4770K-Quad-Core-Processor-BX80646I74770K/dp/B00CO8TBQ0

Motherboard($164 with promo code UPGRADEMB) - MSI Z87 MPOWER SP LGA 1150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130725

RAM($135 with promo code EMCPFPW37) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231615

Optical($60 with promo code EMCPFPF88) - Pioneer 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129075

Total Price - $685 with shipping included, rebates not included, if any.

*edit* Yeah, it appears almost no z87 motherboard has a problem clocking Haswell to atleast 4.5ghz. The main problem with overclocking Haswell is the chip itself. some won't overclock past 4.2ghz.

going to suggest a slightly cheaper alternative motherboard/memory solution.

Motherboard+RAM($268) - GIGABYTE G1.Sniper Z87 + G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1608593

Total Price(with changes) - $647 with shipping, rebates not included(if any).
Edited by Alanim - 4/5/14 at 1:17pm
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No problem man, you at least replied. More than I can say for the rest of the people on here. I came up with something like this. I'm still not quite sure, I was reading that the ASUS Maximus VI and the ASUS Sabertooth improved upon the Sabertooth Z77's thermal armor with a backplate that's supposed to help some. Mom may just have to deal with an 8GB set of RAM and I'll keep the 16GB Snipers. The timings on the RAM sets you've been linking seem kind of high, granted they're higher clock speed but I've been doing research into that for a bit before this and I've been seeing that there isn't much of a difference for anything above 1600 or in some cases 1333 granted most of this research was in relation to Sandy Bridge but...

 

Anyone else able to chip in, I'd love some more opinions.

I haven't been able to research the overclockability of the different architectures so what am I looking at in terms of average overclock potential in a Haswell i7 chip versus an Ivy and a Sandy? The die shrinks obviously affect how far you can go but how much does the clock speed affect it's overall performance compared to the really good overclockability of Sandy?


Edited by phazer11 - 4/5/14 at 1:44pm
     
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Alright, this meets most of your needs, while being only slightly over budget. Memory latency isn't really all that important for DDR3 as long as it isn't much higher then the rest(even then). As I recall 1600mhz is the sweet spot for most games in terms of memory bandwidth. Pretty sure only BF4 gets a performance boost above that.

CPU($320) - Intel Core i7-4770K Quad-Core
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4770K-Quad-Core-Processor-BX80646I74770K/dp/B00CO8TBQ0

Optical($60 with promo code EMCPFPF88) - Pioneer 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129075

Motherboard($197) - ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989

RAM+Cooler($130) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 + Noctua NH-U14S
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1612132

Total Price - $707 everything has free shipping, rebates not included.

You can also decide to get more RAM, or whatever you need. Here's the heatsink with the list of combos.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041&SubCategory=574&fromcs=1&bcmTag=1&SortField=0&PageSize=100&Page=1
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post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Alanim View Post

RAM prices have doubled due to them "ramping down production" feels more like price fixing but that could just be me.

Sorry about not replying again earlier, I've been busy.

I'm sticking with a MSI motherboard, because they appear to offer the highest quality/best motherboards for overclocking at the cheapest price, not sure if I can squeeze a Asus motherboard in, but I'll try. There could be cheaper motherboards that clock the same, but that'd require a bit of research. Maybe a Gigabyte Sniper motherboard.

CPU($320) - Intel Core i7-4770K Quad-Core
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4770K-Quad-Core-Processor-BX80646I74770K/dp/B00CO8TBQ0

Motherboard($164 with promo code UPGRADEMB) - MSI Z87 MPOWER SP LGA 1150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130725

RAM($135 with promo code EMCPFPW37) - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231615

Optical($60 with promo code EMCPFPF88) - Pioneer 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129075

Total Price - $685 with shipping included, rebates not included, if any.

*edit* Yeah, it appears almost no z87 motherboard has a problem clocking Haswell to atleast 4.5ghz. The main problem with overclocking Haswell is the chip itself. some won't overclock past 4.2ghz.

going to suggest a slightly cheaper alternative motherboard/memory solution.

Motherboard+RAM($268) - GIGABYTE G1.Sniper Z87 + G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1608593

Total Price(with changes) - $647 with shipping, rebates not included(if any).
You can overclock the same on an $80 haswell board as another high end board...
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