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Quite a few big changes in the upcoming Ubuntu 14.04 that people have been begging them to do for the last couple of years...

The biggest and most important one, in my opinion. Probably the most debated part of Ubuntu in recent years is the sort of "forced" privacy invasion with no real way to opt-out as you were never even told it was there during or before install. So to make it opt-in instead is huge.

Ubuntu To Make Amazon Product Results ‘Opt-In’
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Canonical’s Michael Hall, speaking on Google+, explains that the next version of Unity, currently in development, will require users to ‘opt-in’ to see results from specific online sources.


And another big one that the community had been asking for, and one reason I never really liked Unity, aside from the above.

Ubuntu 14.04 Adds ‘Click to Minimize App’ Option to Unity Launcher
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Well this is unexpected: after years of refusing to budge on the issue, Canonical has, finally, included an option to enable ‘minimise on click’ behaviour on the Unity Launcher.


Hopefully these aren't the only two things they change, but they have been two big ones people have been asking for so it's a start at least. Maybe Canonical is finally coming to their sensors... or it's just false hope and they'll find another way to screw their users over or go against their will again, only time will tell.

And then some more change's; http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/ubuntu-14-04-beta-released
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Ubuntu got left behind when Linux Mint came to the fore IMO.
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Not to start a flamewar, but honest question:

Are they still planning on using Mir instead of Wayland as a replacement for X?
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Ubuntu got left behind when Linux Mint came to the fore IMO.

And without Ubuntu, Mint wouldn't really be around. Linux Mint Debian Edition is nice, but it still lacks the overall feel of the regular Mint. As well as the overall ease of use, and general amount of repositories that come with Ubuntu and Mint.

While I like Mint, they are not without their own issues.
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Not to start a flamewar, but honest question:

Are they still planning on using Mir instead of Wayland as a replacement for X?

As far as I've read, yes. BUT it was supposed to be in 13.xx and was pushed back, and I don't think they even have it planned for 14.xx as things still aren't quite ready and support from graphics companies such as Intel and Nvidia are not supporting XMir ( the X compatibility layer for Mir that'll help ease transition ). So basically they have to have everything 100% Mir ready before they can roll it out mainstream. So for now, Wayland is getting a bit of a break from that whole front. Which is a great thing, in my opinion. The less relevant we can make Mir the less fragmentation we'll have in a pretty critical part of the overall OS.
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@Shrak: I really don't understand what Canonical is doing with Mir. What's their side of the story? Is Mir objectively better than Wayland at anything?
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Not to start a flamewar, but honest question:

Are they still planning on using Mir instead of Wayland as a replacement for X?

Last I heard Mark and the heads seemed to think Mir would make it for 14.10 if not on the desktop then on their phones as they have stated they're releasing phones in the fall and there are several Chinese companies (not major OEMs) that will be releasing their phones then. So considering the partners that we know of have stated their road maps I don't think Mark and the heads would be allowed to push Mir back any further.

On the other side...seems with KDE dead set on Wayland I can't help but wonder what the heck is going to happen to the Kubuntu spin? I figure there's going to be too much pain to deal with keeping packages touched by Mir out. At least that's how several KDE/Kubuntu guys made it sound.
     
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@Shrak: I really don't understand what Canonical is doing with Mir. What's their side of the story? Is Mir objectively better than Wayland at anything?

Objectively? No, not really.
Subjectively? Canonical seem to think so...

When the whole thing started, I was reading the mailing lists and Canonical seemed unhappy about 1 single thing in Wayland ( I think it had to do with the way windows were handled or something along those lines ), and so Canonical decided to fork it and go off on their own and eventually Mir came out of it.
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Last I heard Mark and the heads seemed to think Mir would make it for 14.10 if not on the desktop then on their phones as they have stated they're releasing phones in the fall and there are several Chinese companies (not major OEMs) that will be releasing their phones then. So considering the partners that we know of have stated their road maps I don't think Mark and the heads would be allowed to push Mir back any further.

On the other side...seems with KDE dead set on Wayland I can't help but wonder what the heck is going to happen to the Kubuntu spin? I figure there's going to be too much pain to deal with keeping packages touched by Mir out. At least that's how several KDE/Kubuntu guys made it sound.

Mir on the phone is definitely happening. That really seems to be their main focus for it, which is all fine and dandy, but I hope to god they decide to step back on Mir for the desktop. I just see no benefit in it when Wayland has been the one who was going to take the helm for ages now.

And yeah, a ton of big projects and companies already planning to not support XMir or Mir. Intel and Nvidia aren't supporting XMir and Mir support is in the air, not sure about AMD. KDE is dead set on no Mir, and we'll see where the other big DE's decide to go.
Edited by Shrak - 4/1/14 at 6:58pm
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Somehow I expect this to be a shell game offering. They gotta be doing something to make money if they are making it so you have to accept being spied on and such. /tinfoil hat
 
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Also, TRIM is now on by default for SSDs, whereas previously one had to mess around with the terminal. smile.gif

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