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Hey there, I request some help from the server people over here.

I have an old laptop that I will be using for a NAS and possibly webhosting. It has a phenom 2 n620 dual core @ 2.8ghz, and 4gbs of ddr3 1333

I'm looking for stability, speed, and features. Does Linux provide a better experience, or is BSD the best, or maybe the newer one, hurd, is better.

My understanding:
Linux, more cutting edge, but perhaps more buggy?
BSD, less features, but rock solid?
Hurd, um... does anyone even use this? I like the idea, but I was kinda told by debian themselves not to use it day to day.

Specific distros I am looking are: Debian linux, Debian BSD, and Debian Hurd.
Edited by Dantron - 4/2/14 at 5:45am
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I don't think Hurd is a thing.

Especially as a cli-only server Linux is great as a server. Hardware support for instance is top notch. You sound new to Linux(?) And it does have a lot of documentation and large community -- valid search engine results and a place to ask questions should be important when you're starting out and Debian is a good choice.

BSD, at least it seems to me, is a bit harder to learn. Does have some advantages though (like zfs).


I would recommend trying out the different options in a VM first to see if one appeals over the other.

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I've been using linux actually for awhile now so no I don't need help on that front.

My question was simply asking whether it'd be better for me to use linux or BSD, and if hurd has made any ground in recent time.

I'm really just looking to see which one is faster, which one is more stable, which one has better features.

I'm not familiar with server stuff, only desktop stuff.
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I don't think Hurd is a thing.

Especially as a cli-only server Linux is great as a server. Hardware support for instance is top notch. You sound new to Linux(?) And it does have a lot of documentation and large community -- valid search engine results and a place to ask questions should be important when you're starting out and Debian is a good choice.

BSD, at least it seems to me, is a bit harder to learn. Does have some advantages though (like zfs).


I would recommend trying out the different options in a VM first to see if one appeals over the other.

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ZFS is on Linux now through a native kernel module. Honestly I don't recommend BSD for a newbie at all. Linux is ALOT easier to learn than BSD.

Personally I use Ubuntu w/ ZFS for a file server -- works great.

BSD is definitely very stable, I'm on 126 days right now on my bsd server

4:43AM up 126 days, 17:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.56, 0.46, 0.23

Linux is plenty stable too though and honestly next time I need to reinstall for any reason I'm going back to Linux.
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Webserver and NAS on the same system is a big no no.
    
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Try FreeNAS.

It's BSD with a web interface for system management.
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post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Dantron View Post

I've been using linux actually for awhile now so no I don't need help on that front.

My question was simply asking whether it'd be better for me to use linux or BSD, and if hurd has made any ground in recent time.

I'm really just looking to see which one is faster, which one is more stable, which one has better features.

I'm not familiar with server stuff, only desktop stuff.

linux.
bsd is dying.
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I use a Linux-Ubuntu Server (which works great), however, I see you want to use Debian which has no formal server distro but it's not to difficult to turn the Regular Linux distro to a server. So my suggestion is go for the Linux smile.gif

Also @killabytes is right NAS and Webserver on the same machine is a bad idea all sorts of security issues there
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I use a Linux-Ubuntu Server (which works great), however, I see you want to use Debian which has no formal server distro but it's not to difficult to turn the Regular Linux distro to a server. So my suggestion is go for the Linux smile.gif

Also @killabytes is right NAS and Webserver on the same machine is a bad idea all sorts of security issues there

not necessarily.
you can run apache in chroot. there are other types of isolation as well.

what do you plan to share your files through? NFS, SAMBA?
post #10 of 24
Firstly, ignore Hurd. It's an experimental kernel and definitely not ready for production use - not even on the desktop let alone on servers.

As for which is better out of Linux of BSD; it's like asking which sports car is the best. However I would suggest that, since this is for a server, you only run the Linux kernel on Debian and OpenBSD or FreeBSD for BSD.

Personally, I run FreeBSD on my file server because of ZFS. In my opinion it's not only the best file server file system; but the best file system ever written. ZFS has saved me from data loss more times than I perhaps deserve. However I'm somewhat of a fanboy, so I'll leave you to decide if you want to follow my advice on that or not.

Next, a few recommendations of stuff to avoid. Don't run Btrfs; it's experimental and just generally crap. Avoid it like the plague. Also be weary of ZFS on Linux - it will run but unless you're confident with Linux, you may run into difficulties. If you do decide to run ZFS; do so on FreeBSD.

Lastly, have you considered an NAS-orientated distribution of Linux or FreeBSD? There's a few, most of which I've forgotten the names of. These will have web-based GUIs for you to manage your server with and are just generally easier to set up than a bare bones Linux / BSD install.

edit: also, FYI, you can edit titles. smile.gif
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