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Poll Results: AMD FX 8350 @ 5ghz vs i5 4670k @ 4.6ghz vs i7 4770k @ 4.6ghz Next Gen (YES another one!!!) :D

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 19% of voters (26)
    FX 8350 @ 5ghz
  • 45% of voters (62)
    i5 4670k @ 4.6ghz
  • 38% of voters (52)
    i7 4770k @ 4.6ghz
136 Total Votes  
post #71 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

Heaven / Valley are pure GPU benches.... They do not show CPU bottlenecks much more than GPU mining does.

In real games you'd have AI, physics etc. for the CPU to calculate. Besides, he's still getting left behind by dual 690s which are considerably weaker... Every other 7970 quad owner is ahead by a relatively big margin... And that's in a bench that's as GPU bound as you can get.
I did mention he is running those GPU;s at stock clocks. Those 690's could be pushing decent overclocks. Not saying they are but they could be.
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post #72 of 94
Copied pasted my post from another thread because it's relevant here:

Shown below are the highest 3DMark Fire Strike scores, with 1 GPU. I didn't include the ones with more than 1 GPU because it's obvious that AMD is going to bottleck when you've got >1 high end GPU.

What do you notice? That's right, ALL of them are using Intel CPUs.

If AMD did not bottleneck, why do you see ZERO of the highest-ranking systems on 3DMark using AMD CPUs?

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post #73 of 94
Firestrike extreme (1440p) doesn't have any AMD CPUs either unless you include bugged 7970 runs (better than real 7970 world record on hwbot).
 
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post #74 of 94
i7 4770K. While the i5 4670K is good and all. I think the extra $100 for the HT is really worth it especially for the long run. Those who say HT is useless are obviously clueless about it, and is needed in some games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3/4 Multiplayer.
I wouldn't get an i5 if I plan keeping the platform for a long time, I know I will regret it for not paying the slight extra premium for a 25%+ increase in good situations. but that is just me cause I tend to keep my CPU at least 3-5 years and with newer titles the i5 will show more limitations than the i7 when games properly support HT and higher-end GPUs appear.
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You can put four 290Xs to a machine with a celeron. Doesn't mean that it wont bottleneck those GPUs.

If I recall Heaven/Valley are probably the most GPU bound benches out there (no AI, physics simulation or anything for the CPU) and again iirc Red had his quad 7970 beaten by pretty big margins by other quad 7970 owners and he was barely able to hang with two 690s or something. Only reason his FX was on that list was because there aren't many quad GPU setups around n the first place.

I have three Visheras, I've got a bunch of GPUs. FX doesn't stand a chance against an i7 with a single high end GPU let alone two, three or four.


I'm curios are the numbers from this benchmarks false??



https://teksyndicate.com/videos/crysis-3-benchmarks-amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-i7-3770k-both-overclocked

AMD FX 8350(h80) HD 7970 vs Intel i7 3770k (h100) HD 7970

All games tested at maximum settings first then tested again without any filters (MSAA, FXAA, AA, AF, ETC.). Benchmarks

AMD 8350

Crysis 3 - Stock Clock

1080p - Max - 20.00
1080p - No Filters - 32.20
1080p - Crossfire - Max - 35.68
1080p - Crossfire - No Filters - 54.20

1440p - Max - 13.48
1440p - No filters - 21.96
1440p - Crossfire - Max - 22.88
1440p - Crossfire - No Filters - 39.04


Crysis 3 - CPU @ 4.6GHz

1080p - Max - 20.00 (identical result, but separate bench)
1080p - No Filters - 32.36
1080p - Crossfire - Max - 36.04
1080p - Crossfire - No Filters - 56.76

1440p - Max - 13.28
1440p - No Filters - 22.12
1440p - Crossfire - Max - 23.52
1440p - Crossfire - No Filters - 39.52

Intel i7 3770k


Crysis 3 - Stock Clock (No Crossfire for Stock Clock)

1080p - Max - 18.72
1080p - No Filters - 29.80

1440p - Max - 11.16
1440 - No Filters - 18.32



Crysis 3 - CPU @ 4.5GHz

1080p - Max - 21.08
1080p - No Filters - 34.92
1080p - Crossfire - Max - 36.72
1080p - Crossfire - No Filters - 59.64

1440p - Max - 13.68
1440p - No filters - 23.56
1440p - Crossfire - Max - 23.52
1440p - Crossfire - No Filters - 40.48
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post #76 of 94
The same people who have been going around saying amd 8 core is best cuss it has more cores more threads and that will help in games. Are now here saying hyprethreading is useless.
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post #77 of 94
Going from a 6300 to a 4670k, my gpus were no longer bottlenecked. But im moving on up with upgrades. Hope ot make a build log soon.
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I see the post of you flaming me was removed. Never mind. What I posted was not opinion based BS. It is the combination of experience that I have learned over the past few years that the Vishera chips have been around by myself and also based on the experiences of other Vishera users. Granted I don't have Uber high end GPU's however like I said I have built an opinion based on mine and other FX users experiences. That's more than you can say for yourself who has not added anything useful or productive to the conversation.

Many members of the Vishera owners club have I5's and I7's running along side their Vishera's. Some of them state they prefer their Vishera's to their Intel and others say they can't notice a tangible difference. Now you might think that is opinion based BS but you can't discount first and second-hand experience.

Now there is a trend I see among the Intel fans. You seem to accuse us of buyers remorse when we try to defend AMD. However I feel no remorse. I love my AMD rig. I feel it was a much better purchase than any I5. And as I have gone along I have upgraded various things like cooling etc etc. Squeezing more and more out of my chip. You complain about benches being faked and cherry picked when they prove AMD hanging on with Intel. Then you revert to pointless power consumption (this is OCN) based arguments when the benchmarks still don't agree with what you have to say. Then you revert to horribly single threaded game benches and applications to show off the (yes granted) very good single-threaded performance of Intel. But benches like that are becoming less and less relevant as apps become more multi-threaded. Your counter to that is we still won't see mainstream multi-threaded still for a while. I disagree. We are starting to hit a wall with performance gains from die shrinks. Once we start hitting single digit figures for die size it is going to be nigh on impossible to shrink dies. The gates in transistors can no longer stop the flow of electrons. So I figure die shrinks and the subsequent increase of IPC will slow down or come to a grinding halt when we try going beyond 14nm. The one thing you CAN'T do is deny the laws of physics. The day of developers and programmers being lazy is at an end. This is not just going to benefit AMD but Intel as well. But then you start to throw around low-res bench results around which is pointless to a bunch of mainstream gamers anyway who run at 1080P or more. And then you go back to step one again and rinse and repeat the process.

Now my argument to the Firstrike benches that 996gt2 threw around was that FX does fall behind on the physics benches. And that generally pulls the scores down. Now yes this does display the weaknesses of the FX chips. But I argue the fact of that it isn't likely you will see many FX rigs pushing 4 GPU's, outside of Red1776's high performance Holodeck 290X quadfire AMD rig. (which is been sponsored by AMD and various other manufacturers to prove that AMD is still viable and can power extreme rigs. I think I already posted a link to the build-log) Most extreme users are not worried about cash. Generally if you have that sort of money around of course you are going to get THE MOST BADDASS CPU. I mean who wouldn't. I would! I will ask Red1776 to post his 3D Mark results when the rig is finished. You might all be pleasantly surprised.

Now notice during this whole process NEVER have I said or tried to prove that AMD is BETTER than Intel. Only that AMD is still capable of hanging with I5's and they are still a viable option for gaming. I have tried to provide a constructive and logical argument. In fact when you back to my first post in this thread I do actually say that as a start out chip the I5-4670K is better than the FX. It is after all a generation newer than the FX-83XX's which came out alongside the Ivy Intel's. Saying some one is spamming BS just because it does not agree is not something I do around here.
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Now my argument to the Firstrike benches that 996gt2 threw around was that FX does fall behind on the physics benches. And that generally pulls the scores down. Now yes this does display the weaknesses of the FX chips. But I argue the fact of that it isn't likely you will see many FX rigs pushing 4 GPU's, outside of Red1776's high performance Holodeck 290X quadfire AMD rig.

The Fire strike list I posted above only includes systems with a single GPU. It's pretty obvious that no one building a high-end multi GPU rig is going to go with an AMD CPU unless they really want to be different and are willing to sacrifice performance to be different.

However, you can see that even with single GPUs, there are no AMD systems on that Fire strike top scores list.

That means the AMD CPU is the bottleneck. If it wasn't, you would see at least one or two AMD systems on there. End of story. The low physics score is entirely due to the fact that the physics benchmark is very CPU-dependent, and AMD CPUs simply don't have the processing power to do well.
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Hmmm. I see that post of you flaming me was removed. Never mind. My
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Now my argument to the Firstrike benches that 996gt2 threw around was that FX does fall behind on the physics benches. And that generally pulls the scores down. Now yes this does display the weaknesses of the FX chips. But I argue the fact of that it isn't likely you will see many FX rigs pushing 4 GPU's, outside of Red1776's high performance Holodeck 290X quadfire AMD rig.

The Fire strike list I posted above only includes systems with a single GPU. It's pretty obvious that no one building a high-end multi GPU rig is going to go with an AMD CPU unless they really want to be different and are willing to sacrifice performance to be different.

However, you can see that even with single GPUs, there are no AMD systems on that Fire strike top scores list.

That means the AMD CPU is the bottleneck. If it wasn't, you would see at least one or two AMD systems on there. End of story. The low physics score is entirely due to the fact that the physics benchmark is very CPU-dependent, and AMD CPUs simply don't have the processing power to do well.
Ah. I didn't catch that. I'll give it another look.
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