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LOL lachen.gif

You laugh, but obviously don't have any idea what you are laughing at. Transit and transport rates do vary by region and territory.

I know people outside the industry like to think that there is "just the internet", that is an extremely simplistic view of it. The reality of it is that your data needs to travel across multiple networks, which cost money, to get to and from your destination of choice. That traffic is measured in bandwidth, and that bandwidth costs money.

If you are trying to get traffic from A to F, and along the way you have to send traffic along the networks of B C D and E, because of where you are; you are going to face higher transport costs. Now compare that to a situation of needing to get traffic from A to C, where you only need to cross B's network to get to your destination.

Peering contracts between various providers, the multitude of cross-connects and co-location expenses, they all factor into getting data to and from.

If you look at the latest Submarine Fiber maps for Australia, there are about ~7 points of entry for those, compared to the USA which as dozens +

http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/

What you have is a market controlled by a few people, and they are going to charge premiums. That impacts getting data to and from! We have numerous options in the USA for transport/transit services, and still have fights with rates and who is going to peer with who.

Now think how bad that situation is going to be in AUS where there aren't nearly as many options.

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If you are using carrier pigeons, make sure it is not hunting season too! Packet loss would be incredible otherwise. biggrin.gif

Lol, I would be more worried about the sharks with lasers shooting them down.

EDIT:

Not to say the above reason is why Apple is doing what they are doing. Just gives food for thought to people that say "Data is free!" or "It doesn't cost more to send data to X than it does Y, its just bits!". The truth of it is, yes, it can cost more.

Welcome to earth.
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You laugh, but obviously don't have any idea what you are laughing at. Transit and transport rates do vary by region and territory.

I know people outside the industry like to think that there is "just the internet", that is an extremely simplistic view of it. The reality of it is that your data needs to travel across multiple networks, which cost money, to get to and from your destination of choice. That traffic is measured in bandwidth, and that bandwidth costs money.

If you are trying to get traffic from A to F, and along the way you have to send traffic along the networks of B C D and E, because of where you are; you are going to face higher transport costs. Now compare that to a situation of needing to get traffic from A to C, where you only need to cross B's network to get to your destination.

Peering contracts between various providers, the multitude of cross-connects and co-location expenses, they all factor into getting data to and from.

If you look at the latest Submarine Fiber maps for Australia, there are about ~7 points of entry for those, compared to the USA which as dozens +

http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/

What you have is a market controlled by a few people, and they are going to charge premiums. That impacts getting data to and from!
Lol, I would be more worried about the sharks with lasers shooting them down.

Nothing you posted makes sense, except the bandwidth which everyone already knows data travels in bandwidth.

Apple doesn't pay anything to get data to users other than Hosting and etc. The user pays that.

ISP are about to charge netflix for added bandwidth which is the only case.

So whatever you are saying is nil.

Apple is raising prices because.... Its Apple.

Keep defending Apple in every thread, even when it makes no sense to.
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Nothing you posted makes sense, except the bandwidth which everyone already knows data travels in bandwidth.

Apple doesn't pay anything to get data to users other than Hosting and etc. The user pays that.

ISP are about to charge netflix for added bandwidth which is the only case.

So whatever you are saying is nil.

Apple is raising prices because.... Its Apple.

Keep defending Apple in every thread, even when it makes no sense to.

Yes, nothing I said make sense; coming from the guy who isn't in the industry.

Two things:

1) I didn't say this is why Apple raised their pricing, Apple already stated why they did that.

2) How does what I say not make sense? It is basic economics. You want something someone else has or has to facilitate you getting, that will cost you money. Bandwidth is no exception to this.
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1) I didn't say this is why Apple raised their pricing, Apple already stated why they did that.

Ok end of discussion.
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I like twinkies posts. Good insight from somebody that knows how to manage/own an ISP
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You laugh, but obviously don't have any idea what you are laughing at. Transit and transport rates do vary by region and territory.

I know people outside the industry like to think that there is "just the internet", that is an extremely simplistic view of it. The reality of it is that your data needs to travel across multiple networks, which cost money, to get to and from your destination of choice. That traffic is measured in bandwidth, and that bandwidth costs money.

If you are trying to get traffic from A to F, and along the way you have to send traffic along the networks of B C D and E, because of where you are; you are going to face higher transport costs. Now compare that to a situation of needing to get traffic from A to C, where you only need to cross B's network to get to your destination.

Peering contracts between various providers, the multitude of cross-connects and co-location expenses, they all factor into getting data to and from.

If you look at the latest Submarine Fiber maps for Australia, there are about ~7 points of entry for those, compared to the USA which as dozens +

http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/

What you have is a market controlled by a few people, and they are going to charge premiums. That impacts getting data to and from! We have numerous options in the USA for transport/transit services, and still have fights with rates and who is going to peer with who.

Now think how bad that situation is going to be in AUS where there aren't nearly as many options.
Lol, I would be more worried about the sharks with lasers shooting them down.

EDIT:

Not to say the above reason is why Apple is doing what they are doing. Just gives food for thought to people that say "Data is free!" or "It doesn't cost more to send data to X than it does Y, its just bits!". The truth of it is, yes, it can cost more.

Welcome to earth.

I think there is a slight problem with this, there would be very minimal data transfers between countries since only one copy of the transferred file is needed. Once one copy is in the target country this file can be replicated within the country avoiding international data transfers.
I understand you are not necessarily saying this is the reason Australians pay more but you are severely overcomplicating the situation and introducing problems that are not necessarily there.
At the end of the day Australian's pay more for content and hardware than the states and it is simply because there is much greater demand in the US and there is a precedent for low prices. Australia's demand for electronic goods is far more inelastic and as such a price increase will result in a net gain in revenue for Apple. This is basic economics and as much as it is a pain to be on the receiving end of it, at the end of the day Apple is a firm and it is run to make a profit.
    
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Who cares. Man you guys get your knickers so knotted over this Apple crap I'm sure by now your asses look red raw as a baboon.
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Who cares. Man you guys get your knickers so knotted over this Apple crap I'm sure by now your asses look red raw as a baboon.

you should've seen me after my vacation trip to China last month.......Baboon's had nothing on me frown.gif
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So...Ausies can just buy Androids...problem solved.

...though if this keeps up the techies in Australia are going to start stock piling old car tires.
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i do love it when americans come on these threads and explain to australians what their own import and export taxes are without actually having a single shred of evidence to back it up.

it's exactly the same as the "american broadband is slowest in the world" arguments which I seem to tear apart every 2 months.

the fact is, the australian government does not support companies like Apple raising digital product prices due to [insert whatever bs rationale they use this time]. It's the companies themselves who set these prices without respect to what our current taxes are imposing
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