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M$ should separate mobile from desktop like church from state ...

^ EPIC. + Rep.
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Once I got adjusted to Win8.1 it really isn't as bad as some people make it out to be. This new start menu looks pretty cool and I'm excited to give it a go.thumb.gif
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That is not what i had asked.

I asked specifically How do i copy and paste the user and pass (from a text file for example since they are impossible to remember), into the vpn connection.

I didn't ask anything about saving credentials. Explain how a person would go about copying a user and pass, into that screen, since when you click away from that screen, it closes. Also before you go about attempting to belittle my experience, i've used every single windows since it was released. I'm quite familiar with "how to save credentials", my question was a simple productivity question

First of all i used the screen in the picture I showed. I'm not sure if I manually typed it in since I did it once over a year ago (proving how much of a non-issue this is). Not sure why you couldn't have it copied to the clipboard before hand.
Second, I'm not sure why (to you) the success of win8 is based on something so minute almost completely insignificant. But if that is what you have to nitpick in order to show why win8 should be hated on then I think you are proving there is a ton more right with win8 than wrong.
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First of all i used the screen in the picture I showed. I'm not sure if I manually typed it in since I did it once over a year ago (proving how much of a non-issue this is). Not sure why you couldn't have it copied to the clipboard before hand.
Second, I'm not sure why (to you) the success of win8 is based on something so minute almost completely insignificant. But if that is what you have to nitpick in order to show why win8 should be hated on then I think you are proving there is a ton more right with win8 than wrong.

It's two text boxes. You need to use the clipboard twice so you have to put focus away from it and onto the text editor or email client or whatever at least once. At losing focus it disappears. It would be no problem if it would be a normal Windows desktop program instead.
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I love how so many people say Win8 is a terrible OS because "tiles are ugly to me." Uh, that's opinion guys and you know what they say about opinions? That is not a legitimate excuse to call it a horrible OS...
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I love how so many people say Win8 is a terrible OS because "tiles are ugly to me." Uh, that's opinion guys and you know what they say about opinions? That is not a legitimate excuse to call it a horrible OS...

You can argue it's objectively a terrible idea because of this here:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-walking-through-doorway-makes-you-forget/

The Start screen is probably the best you can do on a phone as its screen is so tiny, but it would have been a good idea to make it just as small as it is on a phone for the PC desktop, confining it into a small area so that you can still see your open windows on the desktop.

It really should have been optional and everyone would have been happy. tongue.gif

It also has some reduced functionality with search, I feel. If you for example type "co ma", you should find "computer management", but you don't.
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That's an entirely different argument than simply coming in here and saying the tiles are ugly so it sucks, which I have seen multiple people do in this thread...
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My biggest objection to the tiles is also their size. They are practical for small screens so people won't "fat finger" selections but when screen size increases, finger size doesn't, so there is no need for tile size to increase. Finger size is a non-issue when using a mouse for selection instead of a touch screen, negating the need for tiles. For the same reason, I detest icons; like tiles, they consume too much screen real estate (I can have more programs listed onscreen with a menu list than with tiles). I keep mine shrunk as much as possible when I can't eliminate them; at least Win 7 allows me to do that, something one has fewer options to do so with tiles. Another major objection I have to tiles (and icons) is they are listed horizontally, making it harder to search for what one is looking for. Vertical lists are much easier to visually scan through, especially when entries are listed alphabetically. In a vertical list, the first letter of an entry is immediately adjacent to the first letters of the previous and following entries, making it much easier for the eye to follow. When entries are listed horizontally, the first letters become separated by the remaining text of each entry, making it much more difficult for the eye to follow.

Of course, I also feel tiles are so ugly it sucks. wink.gif All seriousness aside, I can understand the need to lighten an OS to enable it to be more functional on a low power devices such as a tablet or a smartphone and simplifying graphics, such as using the boring flat appearing tiles, is a valid way to lighten up the OS but doing so is an unnecessary and visually unpleasant step back on larger devices since they have more than enough resources to handle the more pleasing graphics, such as shading and shadowing. The virtual sticky notes on my desktop look umpteen times better than the boring flat tiles of Win 8. Displaying active apps within a tile causes it to become lost within the jumble of the other tiles unless one has only a few displayed.

There are objections I have to Win 8, such as hidden and fragmented menus, fewer options for customization, more restrictive policies, etc. Many of the changes in Win 8 from Win 7 were nothing more than change for the sake of change and either accomplished nothing new or actually hampered functionality.
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Originally Posted by Doomtomb View Post

They've really come full circle. Pretty big waste of time, took em two years to see the error in their ways.

Does anybody realize how painstakingly retarded this transition was?
Great news, the Start button is coming back! (but it takes you to metro start page)
Microsoft is bringing the Start Menu back! (well about time)

Now just get rid of that crummy flat look and bring back Aero glass and it might be usable.

 

I disagree. The flat look is fine IMO. It should be even flatter.

 

But the major problems most people were experiencing are being addressed, which is all that really matters to me atleast. Now my fam will stop complaining about "that new annoying thing".

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I actually loved Aero Glass. My desktop shouldn't have bland pastel toned windows just because your tablet can't handle the real DWM.
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