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Eh, I never use Gadgets anyway. tongue.gif (and when I install Vista the first thing I do is disable that sidebar)

I find gadgets quite useful on windows 7, not so much when I was on vista where they could only be in the sidebar. I always have these two in the corner of my second screen.
As far as the apps.. in what way do they do the same thing? Last I checked apps were fullscreen, not a miniscule corner of my screen like these two gadgets.


Edited by DiaSin - 4/15/14 at 10:48am
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did they make it so all the system settings etc aren't full screen? and apps aren't full screen? that was the real annoying part, the start menu was nothing in comparison

Apps open in full screen by default, which is expected behavior if you ask me. After that, you can split apps vertically, up to four (I believe) per monitor. You can also split metro apps with the desktop, so you can, for instance, have a skype chat docked to the side of the screen while using the traditional Windows UI at the same time. Smaller screens can't have as many panes for obvious reasons - I think 1366x768 screens can only split two, but you wouldn't really want to do more than that on a small screen anyway.

With the new update, Metro apps also have a title bar with close/minimize buttons, so there's nothing difficult about navigating them anymore.
    
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Eh, I never use Gadgets anyway. tongue.gif (and when I install Vista the first thing I do is disable that sidebar)

I find gadgets quite useful on windows 7, not so much when I was on vista where they could only be in the sidebar. I always have these two in the corner of my second screen.
As far as the apps.. in what way do they do the same thing? Last I checked apps were fullscreen, not a miniscule corner of my screen like these two gadgets.


Apps are also running in some strange sandbox'd environment like gadgets, don't get access to the normal full Windows PC environment. I think gadgets are using HTML and Javascript for their stuff, so their sandbox is some sort of web browser technology. Apps are real programs and can do more, but they still are in a strange environment, separated from the actual machine, can't access everything and can also be run on a different architecture like on a machine with ARM instead of x86 CPU.

I think that's what he meant with his post because he was not believing that Microsoft couldn't easily solve the security problems of the sandbox environment the gadgets are running in. They have no problem building the environment the apps are running in.

Apps can draw in their tiles on the Start screen and show something like a weather gadget in that box. tongue.gif
Edited by deepor - 4/15/14 at 10:59am
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Apps are also running in some strange sandbox'd environment like gadgets, don't get access to the normal full Windows PC environment. I think gadgets are using HTML and Javascript for their stuff, so their sandbox is some sort of web browser technology. Apps are real programs and can do more, but they still are in a strange environment, separated from the actual machine, can't access everything and can also be run on a different architecture like on a machine with ARM instead of x86 CPU.

I think that's what he meant with his post because he was not believing that Microsoft couldn't easily solve the security problems of the sandbox environment the gadgets are running in. They have no problem building the environment the apps are running in.

Apps can draw in their tiles on the Start screen and show something like a weather gadget in that box. tongue.gif

True, but I can't see the start screen while I am in games, like I can that Core Temp gadget that sits on my second monitor and shows my resource usage. I mean, if I was actually on Win8 I would just have Core Temp itself open, but the gadget that reads the numbers from the program is so much more compact and non-intrusive.
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True, but I can't see the start screen while I am in games, like I can that Core Temp gadget that sits on my second monitor and shows my resource usage. I mean, if I was actually on Win8 I would just have Core Temp itself open, but the gadget that reads the numbers from the program is so much more compact and non-intrusive.

So what's actually happening regarding gadgets in Windows 7? There's this security patch (?) here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2719662

It's not getting installed automatically and gadgets still work?
Edited by deepor - 4/15/14 at 11:51am
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A proper start menu and the ability to run Win 8 apps in the desktop environment inside their own windows. Yes!! They took their sweat time but it looks like M$ got their head out of their behinds and will give their users what they want.

LOL at both words.

Also.... Proving my old point. People are upset on principle. If the start menu exists, it doesn't matter if it doesn't work as good as the start screen. What matters is that it looks similar. Even if it sucks. Looks similar = everything.
At least they are keeping the new All Programs screen. It's still much better than cascaded lists.

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Exactly what do you base that statement on? What do you know specifically about gadgets? Are you a compute programmer? Are you saying you understand the coding behind gadgets and MS apps?

I am basing my statement on the fact that both things do more or less the same. And ofc healthy doze of logic and common sense. And I do write my own code although it's not directly related to OP systems. I implement numerical schemes for solving nonlinear partial differential equations.

At the end of a day both gadgets and apps are running in Windows OS using some MS provided API in this particular case. Meaning if there is a security vulnerability it is well within MS power to fix it. For neither apps or gadgets can MS protect the user from their own stupidity.

Anyway whats with the hostility? Bad day?
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Feel free to enlighten me if you feel I'm lacking in some aspect.
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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Feel free to enlighten me if you feel I'm lacking in some aspect.
I already bolded the text in your post. You're combining the possibility of Microsoft not wanting to continue with widgets so that people switch to Windows 8 with your apparent knowledge of how operating systems and their vulnerabilities work, when you are ignorant of those things. It's possible that the way they make the gadgets system or how it integrates into the OS, is either too difficult or not able to be fixed with out major changes to the OS, which they are not going to do for outdated operating systems. Or they just want to piss people off. We can't know without being less ignorant.
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I find gadgets quite useful on windows 7, not so much when I was on vista where they could only be in the sidebar. I always have these two in the corner of my second screen.
As far as the apps.. in what way do they do the same thing? Last I checked apps were fullscreen, not a miniscule corner of my screen like these two gadgets.


Gadgets are lame.
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