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Originally Posted by DonDizzurp View Post

Gadgets are lame.
Try Rainmeter and you'll never go back to Gadgets. Rainmeters widgets are much better than Gadgets widgets. You can customize them as well.

Why? I don't want a full overhaul. I just need the info that that shows on that core temp thing. The weather is just a bonus. I TRIED rainmeter. I couldn't find anything that would list all the info I needed in one little widget. All the themes had either alot I didn't need, or didn't show everything I DID need, or the ones that DO have what I need were way too big and overblown. I also ran into alot that, with the weather for example, were not configurable to change it to my location.
The two gadgets I use are a minuscule corner of my second screen.

I like my desktop clean. I don't need alot of stuff cluttering it. I don't even keep ICONS on my desktop beyond whats necessary. That goes back to what I said about the start menu earlier. I keep my MOST used programs on my taskbar, the rest of the regularly used ones are either pinned to the start menu or are in the top of it because they are the most used.
Picture of Desktop Inside (Click to show)
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I certainly don't want THIS, which comes from a friend in the air force. Don't get me wrong, its cool. But I CANNOT live with something like this on a day-to-day basis. Overblown Rainmeter Setup (Click to show)
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I am basing my statement on the fact that both things do more or less the same. And ofc healthy doze of logic and common sense. And I do write my own code although it's not directly related to OP systems. I implement numerical schemes for solving nonlinear partial differential equations.

At the end of a day both gadgets and apps are running in Windows OS using some MS provided API in this particular case. Meaning if there is a security vulnerability it is well within MS power to fix it. For neither apps or gadgets can MS protect the user from their own stupidity.

Anyway whats with the hostility? Bad day?
No hostility. Just honest questions. Many post what they can't back up. :-)

Just because they work the same on the UI level doesn't mean they work the same way on the coding level. There are several ways to create any program.
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No hostility. Just honest questions. Many post what they can't back up. :-)

Just because they work the same on the UI level doesn't mean they work the same way on the coding level. There are several ways to create any program.
The point I was trying to make was that both run in a "sandbox". It is a matter of will fixing the "sandbox" as MS is in full control of the said sandbox - they built it after-all, they can push out the security fixes if and when the choose. The UI thing was not that what I meant although it might not have come off as clear as it should. So for me the statement MS made just reeked a desperation to get more desktop people into their app store. Sort of like free antivirus guys try to scaremonger you into their "premium" plans or whatever. The secondary point from my side is that neither app store nor gadgets nor antivirus premium plans are "secure" if the user is dumb. In all cases one can install something in his computer that leaves it wide open for malicious intent.

Anyway - the reason of my post was not to lament about gadgets. I just found that the MS statement about why gadgets are no longer supported is a bit odd and not really logical for me. So I pointed it out in the most recent Windows 8 thread. There was really no point of doing so in a new thread as then the first 100 posts would be about how Metro sucks or is next best thing after sliced bread and fortunately that thing has been already beaten to death in the present thread.
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I already bolded the text in your post. You're combining the possibility of Microsoft not wanting to continue with widgets so that people switch to Windows 8 with your apparent knowledge of how operating systems and their vulnerabilities work, when you are ignorant of those things. It's possible that the way they make the gadgets system or how it integrates into the OS, is either too difficult or not able to be fixed with out major changes to the OS, which they are not going to do for outdated operating systems. Or they just want to piss people off. We can't know without being less ignorant.
You are just speculating as far as I can see. It is also theoretically possible that there is life on Titan (one of the moons in solar system) - that does not mean, however, that this is true. You are assuming I am ignorant of these thing without knowing much about me. My statement was that I'm not an expert - there is difference between "not an expert" and "ignorant". The probability that the gadgets implementation fix would need a major rewrite of OS is remote. They run in a sandbox interacting with the user through MS maintained API. It is well within MS power to plug the holes in the sandbox if they so desire. They are just choosing not to and instead are desperately trying to lure more desktop users into their app store. Which is not inherently significantly more secure than the gadgets - no operating system can protect user from himself. Both implementations can have security vulnerabilities and exploits. Which can be fixed if MS chooses to do so.
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