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I'll stick to Classic Shell.
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See, now this is what they should have started with and gradually moved to more and more tiles. Diving in head first was, almost safe to say at this point, a big mistake.
    
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I still enjoy the start page, though I love the idea of using the apps on the desktop instead of currently doing the drag and drop.

I want my Netflix App!! haha

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If that mini tile start menu is custom expandable, consider me sold for my next Windows upgrade.

Righttt?? Now if they give us this capability (I'm sure aftermarket applications will let us do this if Microsoft fails...) will give us a much better evolved start menu, that just looks sleek with a the mini tiles start menu. thumb.gif
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Good to know. But I wonder:

1. While the tiles on the Start menu can be useful, like checking the weather quickly or if there are any new e-mails, I want the option to also have quick access buttons like the current Start menu has. If they allow customization of the right part of the Start menu, just like they allow with Windows 7, then having buttons for Control Panel, Administrative Tools, etc, should make most people happy. Depending on how many buttons you have there, you could just do without one tile, for example, while retaining the functionality of having all the others. Or just basically disable tiles altogether and use it as a standard Start menu just like now, or heck, if you want more tiles, just allow for the Start menu to expand. This would also be great as the Start menu resides on the desktop, meaning no context switch would be required versus the current solution;

2. If these updates are coming to Windows 8.1 later this year what will Windows 9 bring to the table ? I always thought Microsoft was going to try and monetize Windows 9 with this kind of things (Start menu and Modern apps on the desktop). Will Aero on window borders, the option to have a 3D look instead of the current flat one, plus a new Modern theme that actually looks good, do the trick for Windows 9 ?

3. Are they going to make an ISO available with 8.1 + Update + Update 2 (or whatever this will be named) later this year ? And so that people with Windows 8 licenses can install them straight away with the Windows 8 key (for support purposes 8.1 is regarded as a Service Pack) ? It's just that as of now Windows 8 has become even more fragmented to install than Windows 7. Someone who bought Windows 8 has to install the OS, install a bunch of updates before 8.1 (a 3 GB+ update) is available through the Store, install that, then install a bunch of updates until the Update (formerly known as Update 1) is available to install, then install that, this time through Windows update, and then later this year more functionality updates with this new pack.

The best security practices would dictate that having to wait hours updating a system from 2012 with the known vulnerabilities discovered since then, connected to the Internet, is not the best way to do a fresh install, as automated vulnerability scanners are most probably scanning systems for this kind of thing every hour of the day globally. This applies to all OSes, both Windows 7, which is still in mainstream support until early next year and still hasn't had a second Service Pack to collect all the updates since 2011's SP1, as well as Windows 8, which is now a fragmented mess that needs hours of updating. As much as this update sounds good, until Microsoft takes basic security more seriously, I'm not installing Windows 8, it's just too much work and ironically, for a system that brags it's more secure than Windows 7, presents more of a security risk making a fresh install than keeping a current Windows 7 one.
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I think Metro is only partially the problem.

Not only does it eat 300~400 MB VRAM when idle and not in use, but lets face it, it is way more cumbersome then the small efficient smartly organized start menu we were used to. Even "Desktop" was an "application" inside of the Metro UI umbrella.

I think the bigger problem is the online credential integration, Microsoft remote application signing checks, the on boot DRM, the lack of a true Administration user group, over intrusive UAC ala Gatekeeper on MAC... I think these are all a sign of a company that is out of touch with the majority of it's consumers and business. I personally do not trust Microsoft to get Windows 9 right as it stands... but I will give it a try when it comes out.
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Think I will stay with Windows 3.1
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Context and source friend. You can't appease EVERYONE, but that was not the case with W8 and Metro. Previously, it was a case of MS only pleasing a SMALL MINORITY (yes that's what you Metro lovers are and no that does not mean you are smarter than anyone else for liking Metro) and largely pissing off the much, much bigger MAJORITY. This is just MS finally digging their heads out of their butts and realizing they cannot simply make a HUGE UI change mandatory and FINALLY, FINALLY digging their heads out their butts.

Out of the people that actually use Windows 8.1, I'd say it's about a 50-50 split between people that have got used to it and don't mind it and those that just couldn't or never tried to because they used a start menu replacement from day one. the majority of people don't use Windows 8.1 day in day out and it's that majority that seems to rant on about how bad it is. The majority of my users wouldn't be able to tell you what version of Windows they are using, they simply don't know and don't care; the only problems they have with Windows is setting it up and trying to do things on their own computers and believe me they were having just as many issues trying to do things in XP, Vista and 7 as they do in 8 and 8.1.
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Took them long enough.
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Good lord. You guys are NEVER satisfied.

Not true. I've liked every windows so far. I was even one of the few who really enjoyed vista. Win 8 is just the first offering I see nothing worth giving my hard earned money for.
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I'm not using that crap.

Ditch the tiles. I want NOTHING from Win 8's visual style in my OS.
 
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