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Now, THAT is something I like. Tiles using that space along the software list.

 

Thank you Microsoft for listening.

 

I just hope the 'all apps' can be changed into 'all programs'. Hate that word.

   
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According to the Verge article, this isn't apart of the 8.1 update coming out, so most likely will not be able to get it until Windows 9.

speaking of that update, is there an eta on when it will be released? I wonder if it will be in their app store or on regular windows update?
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Good to know. But I wonder:
3. Are they going to make an ISO available with 8.1 + Update + Update 2 (or whatever this will be named) later this year ? And so that people with Windows 8 licenses can install them straight away with the Windows 8 key (for support purposes 8.1 is regarded as a Service Pack) ? It's just that as of now Windows 8 has become even more fragmented to install than Windows 7. Someone who bought Windows 8 has to install the OS, install a bunch of updates before 8.1 (a 3 GB+ update) is available through the Store, install that, then install a bunch of updates until the Update (formerly known as Update 1) is available to install, then install that, this time through Windows update, and then later this year more functionality updates with this new pack.

The best security practices would dictate that having to wait hours updating a system from 2012 with the known vulnerabilities discovered since then, connected to the Internet, is not the best way to do a fresh install, as automated vulnerability scanners are most probably scanning systems for this kind of thing every hour of the day globally. This applies to all OSes, both Windows 7, which is still in mainstream support until early next year and still hasn't had a second Service Pack to collect all the updates since 2011's SP1, as well as Windows 8, which is now a fragmented mess that needs hours of updating. As much as this update sounds good, until Microsoft takes basic security more seriously, I'm not installing Windows 8, it's just too much work and ironically, for a system that brags it's more secure than Windows 7, presents more of a security risk making a fresh install than keeping a current Windows 7 one.

That's why you configure and update your WIMs and ISOs before deploying them like people have been doing for years.
Edited by Bearybear - 4/2/14 at 2:05pm
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That why you configure and update your WIMs and ISOs before deploying them like people have been doing for years.

This. Google is one's friend. It's stupid simple.
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Good to know. But I wonder:
3. Are they going to make an ISO available with 8.1 + Update + Update 2 (or whatever this will be named) later this year ? And so that people with Windows 8 licenses can install them straight away with the Windows 8 key (for support purposes 8.1 is regarded as a Service Pack) ? It's just that as of now Windows 8 has become even more fragmented to install than Windows 7. Someone who bought Windows 8 has to install the OS, install a bunch of updates before 8.1 (a 3 GB+ update) is available through the Store, install that, then install a bunch of updates until the Update (formerly known as Update 1) is available to install, then install that, this time through Windows update, and then later this year more functionality updates with this new pack.

The best security practices would dictate that having to wait hours updating a system from 2012 with the known vulnerabilities discovered since then, connected to the Internet, is not the best way to do a fresh install, as automated vulnerability scanners are most probably scanning systems for this kind of thing every hour of the day globally. This applies to all OSes, both Windows 7, which is still in mainstream support until early next year and still hasn't had a second Service Pack to collect all the updates since 2011's SP1, as well as Windows 8, which is now a fragmented mess that needs hours of updating. As much as this update sounds good, until Microsoft takes basic security more seriously, I'm not installing Windows 8, it's just too much work and ironically, for a system that brags it's more secure than Windows 7, presents more of a security risk making a fresh install than keeping a current Windows 7 one.

That why you configure and update your WIMs and ISOs before deploying them like people have been doing for years.

How does a consumer at home do that ? And especially with Windows 8 ? The 8.1 update is either available as a standalone ISO or through the store, not as a standalone file that you can slipstream. In the case of the 8.1 ISO it's a known fact you can't use the Window 8 key to make a fresh install without messing around with configuration files in the ISO in order to make it work. This is especially unacceptable given that when it comes to the support period, 8.1 is a Service Pack.

As standard practice for home users, Microsoft should make available an updated ISO of the OS every six months or so.

Just the same as Anti-virus products. If you happen to buy one in the middle of the release schedule, from some vendors you're getting the install file with the databases from many months ago, taking lots of downloading to put them up to date. No easy way for a consumer at home to get an updated package out of the gate either.

As I said in the quoted post, it's too much work to achieve what should be an industry best practice in the first place. For people who complain we aren't in the nineties anymore, this is one of the best examples of the industry still following outdated practices in a scenario where they don't make sense.
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Out of the people that actually use Windows 8.1, I'd say it's about a 50-50 split between people that have got used to it and don't mind it and those that just couldn't or never tried to because they used a start menu replacement from day one. the majority of people don't use Windows 8.1 day in day out and it's that majority that seems to rant on about how bad it is. The majority of my users wouldn't be able to tell you what version of Windows they are using, they simply don't know and don't care; the only problems they have with Windows is setting it up and trying to do things on their own computers and believe me they were having just as many issues trying to do things in XP, Vista and 7 as they do in 8 and 8.1.

I feel I'm not mentioned by that 50-50 split you're proposing. I used 8 since it came out and did not install any Start menu until just recently. I tried out ClassicShell two months ago to see if I can recommend it to a friend and then stayed with it. I feel the simple 7 style Start menu is legitimately more useful to me than the Start screen. In hindsight, I can't say I was ever fine with the Start screen. Until the end, my eyes were always kind of glazing over when looking at the tiles I pinned, navigating that was never alright.
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I already have it. I had it since windows 8 was released.

Big thank you to my problem solving skills I managed to get my start button instead of crying and making excuses.
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How does a consumer at home do that ? And especially with Windows 8 ? The 8.1 update is either available as a standalone ISO or through the store, not as a standalone file that you can slipstream. In the case of the 8.1 ISO it's a known fact you can't use the Window 8 key to make a fresh install without messing around with configuration files in the ISO in order to make it work. This is especially unacceptable given that when it comes to the support period, 8.1 is a Service Pack.

As standard practice for home users, Microsoft should make available an updated ISO of the OS every six months or so.

Just the same as Anti-virus products. If you happen to buy one in the middle of the release schedule, from some vendors you're getting the install file with the databases from many months ago, taking lots of downloading to put them up to date. No easy way for a consumer at home to get an updated package out of the gate either.

As I said in the quoted post, it's too much work to achieve what should be an industry best practice in the first place. For people who complain we aren't in the nineties anymore, this is one of the best examples of the industry still following outdated practices in a scenario where they don't make sense.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=integrate+windows+8+updates+using+waik

Home users have this incredible tool at their disposal. It's called the internet, and via the internet, they have google.

It's an encyclopedia of information and knowledge. Really, it's incredible.

Those who actually care to upgrade (ala: not your average user) outside of using Windows Update will have no issues doing this.
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I wish we could get Gadgets back.
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How does a consumer at home do that ? And especially with Windows 8 ? The 8.1 update is either available as a standalone ISO or through the store, not as a standalone file that you can slipstream. In the case of the 8.1 ISO it's a known fact you can't use the Window 8 key to make a fresh install without messing around with configuration files in the ISO in order to make it work. This is especially unacceptable given that when it comes to the support period, 8.1 is a Service Pack.

As standard practice for home users, Microsoft should make available an updated ISO of the OS every six months or so.

Just the same as Anti-virus products. If you happen to buy one in the middle of the release schedule, from some vendors you're getting the install file with the databases from many months ago, taking lots of downloading to put them up to date. No easy way for a consumer at home to get an updated package out of the gate either.

As I said in the quoted post, it's too much work to achieve what should be an industry best practice in the first place. For people who complain we aren't in the nineties anymore, this is one of the best examples of the industry still following outdated practices in a scenario where they don't make sense.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=integrate+windows+8+updates+using+waik

Home users have this incredible tool at their disposal. It's called the internet, and via the internet, they have google.

It's an encyclopedia of information and knowledge. Really, it's incredible.

Those who actually care to upgrade (ala: not your average user) outside of using Windows Update will have no issues doing this.

I am sorry to do this to you Raven, I don't believe you can slipstream 8.1 It isn't an "update". It's a OS release, and installs as if you are upgrading the OS like you would Windows Vista to Windows 7.

I am an expert using WAIK, DISM, and Windows PE, I wouldn't even try to slip stream that.
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