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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

GTX 480 is lower power consumption/heat production than a single Hawaii.
Any source for this since I checked TPU and it matches the 580 and the 480 consumes more than that.

Also only at high temps and high clocks it consumes a fair 10W more than say a 780 Ti once it is under good cooling the power consumption will decrease.
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Originally Posted by carolkarine View Post

I have an x40 on my heavily oced 7970 which pulls 450w in furmark.

Are you talking about total system power consumption? A 7970 doesn't pull 450w, even heavily OCed and overvolted, not by itself anyway.
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Any source for this since I checked TPU and it matches the 580 and the 480 consumes more than that.

Also only at high temps and high clocks it consumes a fair 10W more than say a 780 Ti once it is under good cooling the power consumption will decrease.

I have both a GTX 480 and a 290X, the 290X consumes more power at peak load (OCCT or FurMark) at stock clocks/volts (at +50% power limiter) than the 480 does. A lot of reviews of the 290X don't increase the power limit, or use custom fan profiles, and you'll never hit peak power consumption on the card without doing so. The difference between uber bios stock power limit/fan and +50% power limit plus aggressive fan settings is pretty extreme. That stock 250w TDP limit on the 290X is incredibly limiting.

Yes, a cooler running card will use a bit less power, all other things being equal, but even assuming carefully binned Hawaii parts, I still think this 295X2 will be some combination of loud, hot, and/or prone to throttling down easily.
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Are you talking about total system power consumption? A 7970 doesn't pull 450w, even heavily OCed and overvolted, not by itself anyway.
I have both a GTX 480 and a 290X, the 290X consumes more power at peak load (OCCT or FurMark) at stock clocks/volts (at +50% power limiter) than the 480 does. A lot of reviews of the 290X don't increase the power limit, or use custom fan profiles, and you'll never hit peak power consumption on the card without doing so. The difference between uber bios stock power limit/fan and +50% power limit plus aggressive fan settings is pretty extreme. That stock 250w TDP limit on the 290X is incredibly limiting.

Yes, a cooler running card will use a bit less power, all other things being equal, but even assuming carefully binned Hawaii parts, I still think this 295X2 will be some combination of loud, hot, and/or prone to throttling down easily.
That being said the performance numbers reviewers post are with throttled frequency so that comes also in to play.
post #144 of 188
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

That being said the performance numbers reviewers post are with throttled frequency so that comes also in to play.

Performance numbers in reviews are of vague utility because every single sample is going to throttle slightly differently.

I don't like variable clock speeds, it introduces too many...variables...for what I'm trying to do with my cards, so I always ensure that I'm not throttling under any load before doing anything else.
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since when a card that is water cooled is loud? lol
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Since it still has a fan on it.
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A large portion of the card's total heat is going to be cooled by the memory plate, that copper VRM heatsink in the middle, and the PCB. I wouldn't expect much more than 300w or so to make it to the water.

This thing is still likely to run warm.

Just curious how 8 GB RAM will use 200W? Considering they are similar to DDR3 that uses 3 or 4 watts per stick. I would be generous and say 20W top.
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Just curious how 8 GB RAM will use 200W? Considering they are similar to DDR3 that uses 3 or 4 watts per stick. I would be generous and say 20W top.
VRM's have loses going from 12 to all that is needed mostly 1V range. so that will lose a bit of the total power let's say they are 95% eff. that is 0.95 * 300 right there. (considering 300 from the 12V lines and not at the wall) Then we have the ram which is nothing like DDR3 it consumes a lot more it is GDDR5 which is high speed high latency ram.

Videoram needs airflow and sometimes their own dedicated cooler with airflow while DDR ram is fine on its own with very little airflow.
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You have to remember a couple things about the temps. One is that not all 500w are passing through the rad. A lot of it is coming from the VRMs and VRAM, which are both air-cooled. Only the cores themselves are pushing heat through the rad. Also, the twin pumps will have significantly higher flow rate than a regular AIO, and since AIOs have very poor flow rate to begin with, that will also help suffice the heat transfer. Third, AMD's target temp is much higher than most, so there is plenty of cooling to keep the cores under 95*C. Also, while the dies are very dense, they still have more surface area to dissipate heat than a CPU, and thus are much easier to cool with an AIO than a CPU.

This.
The cooling provided is more than enough for what it has to do,the quoted 500w is not purely die consumption.
Look at the Ares cards with the dual AIO setup,they also work well.

People massively overvaluate the cooling requirements of GPU's....My tri sli setup is before the CPU's on my SR2,They push up the first CPU's temp up by a whole 2c at load.
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Just curious how 8 GB RAM will use 200W? Considering they are similar to DDR3 that uses 3 or 4 watts per stick. I would be generous and say 20W top.

I didn't say the memory would use 200w. I said 200w of heat would leave the card via routes other than the waterblocks.

You can't magically make all the heat from the GPUs leave via the top of the die, ignoring basic thermodynamics. The substrate and BGA solder balls connecting it to the PCB will carry a significant fraction of that into the surrounding card. Ever felt the back of a video card in operation, or the area of your motherboard behind the CPU socket at load?

Also, the losses through the VRM are not going to be inconsequential. You are going to see ~85% efficiency, depending on temperature and load, which means that if the card is using 500w of power (and it will probably use more at peak loads), it's going to lose 75w through the VRM.

And finally, high clocked GDDR5 consumes quite a bit more power than DDR3 by virtue of being clocked much higher and usually running at higher voltages, so yes, the memory itself will need to dissipate more than 20w at load, probably much more. Even so, it's possibly the least of significant heat loads on the PCB.

Anyway, end result is still the same, 25-40% of the heat the card makes will not even make it to the water.
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People massively overvaluate the cooling requirements of GPU's....My tri sli setup is before the CPU's on my SR2,They push up the first CPU's temp up by a whole 2c at load.

One GK104 part per PCB in a loop that looks to have an order of magnitude more surface area (is that three 480 rads?) than the radiator that comes with the 295X2 isn't really a good comparison. If you chose your pump wisely and I'm sure you did, I'd expect negligible temperature increases.
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Look at the Ares cards with the dual AIO setup,they also work well.

Not a good comparison either.

The ARES II is two lower power GPUs on a larger PCB with a better VRM, and it's CLC setup has a much thicker radiator than the one shown with the 295X2 as well as two fans.

So, you have a lower power card, with more cooling; I'd sure hope it works well, if the 295X2 is to work at all.
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