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post #1 of 14
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Hello all, Thanks for taking the time to help me.
My first problem in my opinion is my motherboard's power phase is too low, and the mosfets are not cooled.
The symptom - other then a perfectly fine running computer, is that when I play Battlefield 4 after a couple rounds my computer freezes to a black screen and sits for around 3 or 4 minutes before returning to explorer where I can the message that the game has crashed, at that point I have always rebooted and tried again.

I am not overclocked but I have turbo mode turned to auto
all bios clock settings other then ram are set to auto.
Ram is 1600 and is ran at 1600. It is dual channel ram but only boots in dual channel mode when I boot into windows from bios after saving settings.
CPU is cooled by a hyper 212 evo with two after market cooler master sickle flow fans which are connected to the mobo. set to fullon in bios.
1 corsair fan in back of case, 1 aero cool fan in front, and one of those huge panel wide fans on the side, all hooked up to a fan controller so i monitor the temps manually and they are all really good.

I have the latest driver for the 7870, 14.3 I Believe...
I just wanted some input on what is causing the freeze to happen, I have thermal throttling at 25% cool and quiet on, APM off, stock voltage and 2000 nb, 2000ht

I have tried various OC steps carefully over the year, still in the back on my head it feels its hardware related and not bios, but perhaps windows software including 3rd party apps I may have had from old mobo leftover after I built the new pc with an older backup drive I simply carried over most my games maybe a config file is out of whack.

I thought my ht or nb were the culprit but ArmA 3 and CS GO work beaufitul on certain configs I set and those games never freeze.

Seems to be just bf4 thats freezing up on me.

I hope someone had a fix for this issue, coming here is my last alternative before I scrap it.

I have a 585w psu btw.
post #2 of 14
The problem is BF4. It's always BF4 and it will always be BF4. Read this line from your post:
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Seems to be just bf4 thats freezing up on me.

There's your answer smile.gif. Also, why are you going to scrap a perfectly running PC just for one game?

Also, fresh re install everything when you change motherboards.
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The problem is BF4. It's always BF4 and it will always be BF4. Read this line from your post:
There's your answer smile.gif. Also, why are you going to scrap a perfectly running PC just for one game?

Also, fresh re install everything when you change motherboards.
I play it on all ultra or high with 1080p res on mantle or dx11 mode I get 60+ constant fps, the freezes happen at the worst times like when I'm burst firing at an enemys head or about to shoot a helo down with an rpg , it freezes at iconic scenes with lots going on and goes black. I feel the PSU is fine, and so are the CPU and GPU. But the motherboard itself has a notoriously low powerphase and in those scenes in my opinion the CPU and GPU are competing for the most power and the MOBO can't keep up with it. Am I wrong to assume this could be fixed with a new motherboard, say the 970 chipset would be a good start?
post #4 of 14
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Just found some files in my bf4 folder called shader fx, im removing them and seeing if thats whats causing this. I remember adding the shaderfx or sweetfx files along time ago. But never caused crashes till no, must be latest amd drivers and bf4 patches. Ill be back with results.
Edited by ViR-tUaL - 4/2/14 at 5:06pm
post #5 of 14
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Am I wrong to assume this could be fixed with a new motherboard, say the 970 chipset would be a good start?

A 990 chipset would be much better for getting large overclock, and not that much more than a 970 chipset when on sale.

Your current board only supports 95W processors. Its kind of deceptive when they say it supports 8 core processors, when those particular processors are tricky to find and meant mainly for OEMs in non-overclockable systems.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/960GC-GS%20FX/?cat=CPU
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Orion HP585D 585 Watt
Thats more like a fairly decent 300 watt supply, newegg only lists it 15A on the 12 volt rail. (Where are the psu police when you need them, heh)
With your 7870 and FX-6300, Im very very surprised you can boot up at all.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817339012

I also have the HEC HP585D 585 Watt, (I think it was $9.99 after rebate) but its in an E2180 system that uses on board graphics.

With your 95W motherboard and 15A 12volt psu, it is no surprise that youre freezing. The surprise is that you even got that far.
Edited by cpmee - 4/2/14 at 5:32pm
    
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Not all Vishera CPU's are fully stable at stock voltages, my 8350 needs a whopping 1.37 vcore to be Linpack stable at stock. Try running Prime95/OCCT for several hours, BF4 will load all your cores very heavily on high/ultra settings so it could just be due to how heavily it's loading your CPU.

Also try using OCCT/P95 in conjunction with Kombustor's burn in test to load your PSU realistically and see what happens.

If I worked it out right, (I probably didn't) your 12V rail at 15amps can only provide 180 watts, which shouldn't even power up for you, although this should cause the computer to crash or blow the PSU rather than causing temporary in game freezes I believe.

There are many other things which could cause BF4 to crash after you've eliminated hardware too, myself having had problems with GPU/CPU utilisation in BF4 before mantle came along I know how annoying it is.
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post #7 of 14
That board would be my first suspect. FX's like good VRM's and having such skimpy VRM's while boosting all game is likely for failure. Also that PSU needs to be upgraded as it is not enough for a 6300 and a 7870.

Try looking in to a GA-970A-UD3 of M5A99FX Pro 2.0, both are good/inexpensive 990FX boards with plenty of power for the 6300.

PSU wise just something 500W+ from a good reputable company.
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PSU wise just something 500W+ from a good reputable company.

I would go with higher wattage, with a single 12v rail of 50A+, from a good reputable company. With my system, with the relatively low power plain GTX 650 (its not the Ti), I can get my Kill-A-Watt meter to read 400 watts with everything overclocked. With his 7870, theres a good another 100 watts of potential, plus you would want about a 25% overkill. Maximum efficiency on psus seems to be in the range of 50-70% of the power draw, so if youre generally not overloading the system, you dont want a too high a wattage rating either.
Edited by cpmee - 4/3/14 at 8:49pm
    
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post #9 of 14
Don't scrap your system! I think most of the recommendations here are very useful and worth trying. I'm not an expert as some of the guys here and have learned a lot from them...very helpful.

Personally, I've always purchased higher wattage PSUs to simply future-proof. If my system/components require say a 650w PSU, I'd purchase a 750w instead; spend the extra 30 or 40$ now and feel safer later. BF4 is a demanding game and as such will push your system (especially when running the game a ultra settings).
post #10 of 14
Yea your motherboard and PSU should be replaced. You can get sub-$100 970 chipset boards with beefy VRMs that are great for the FX-6300. UD3, UD3P, and M5A97 R2.0


In the mean time, turbo turbo OFF, turn APM OFF. Set voltage control to offset mode and begin under-volting the chip. It'll probably run stable at 3.5ghz at whatever your default CPU-NB voltage is (usually 1.16V). Undervolt the CPU core will CPU and CPU-NB voltages match. This will cut your CPU power dissipation by 10-20% from stock which may just buy enough to prevent it from throttling.

Thermally induced throttling triggered by VRM overload usually forces intermittent low-power states (1.4ghz) which can be highly annoying in games.
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