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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOrxBXj0Njo

So you're telling me that there is no hardware capable of running 4K at decent framerates? Ever hear of spending $2,000 on graphics cards that will be obsolete in 2 years? I mean yeah, if you take into account the fact that these video cards cost actual money money then no, there is no way for normal human beings to play in 4K. But you need to think outside the box. There are literally hundreds of credit card companies that will give you lines of credit (albeit with high interest rates and huge penalties). Just combine the credit limit of a couple of them and I am sure you can scrape together $2,000 out of that to get 2 of these. Just skip a mortgage payment or 2. What are they going to do? Throw you out of the house? Well if they do then you will at least be able to max out Metro Last Light at 4K.

No but for real, you make a good point. I bet 10 years ago when the first flat screen monitors were generally available to the masses, you wouldn't see a problem maybe getting one of those would you? But looking at these monitors, they are not that much of a step up from the current monitors. You just made a good point for the diminishing returns idea I brought up.

I'm meaning what I wrote. I've heard about spending $2000 on graphics cards.


So what about, let's say, 4000$ on graphic cards and a high end "luck of the silicon lottery edition" heavily overclocked CPU?

4x NVIDIA Titan Black in 4-way SLI + Intel Core i7-3960X overclocked to 5 GHz

That should do it, right?

5760 × 1080 = 6220800 pixels
3840 × 2160 = 8294400 pixels
close enough


Far Cry 3 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 4xAA 67.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 5760x1080 - Very High 4x AA 64.2 fps

Metro Last Light - 5760x1080 - Very High 53.0 fps

Battlefield 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 86.9 fps

Assassin's Creed 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 59.4 fps



Conclusion:

Barely pushes 60fps average. So min fps will be pretty low and you can forget about a smooth V-sync 60fps experience.

To be fair these benchmarks where made with AA but I think it gives you a good idea about how hard it is to push a stable fps at 4k even if you have an unlimited budget.
Edited by Hasty - 4/3/14 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by Hasty View Post

I'm meaning what I wrote. I've heard about spending $2000 on graphics cards.


So what about, let's say, 4000$ on graphic cards and a high end "luck of the silicon lottery edition" heavily overclocked CPU?

4x NVIDIA Titan Black in 4-way SLI + Intel Core i7-3960X overclocked to 5 GHz

That should do it, right?

5760 × 1080 = 6220800 pixels
3840 × 2160 = 8294400 pixels
close enough


Far Cry 3 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 4xAA 67.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 5760x1080 - Very High 4x AA 64.2 fps

Metro Last Light - 5760x1080 - Very High 53.0 fps

Battlefield 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 86.9 fps

Assassin's Creed 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 59.4 fps



Conclusion:

Barely pushes 60fps average. So min fps will be pretty low and you can forget about a smooth V-sync 60fps experience.

To be fair these benchmarks where made with AA but I think it gives you a good idea about how hard it is to push a stable fps at 4k even if you have an unlimited budget.
I'm guessing it will be about 2 3 4 years until a high end (single) GPU can max out games at 4K.
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I'm meaning what I wrote. I've heard about spending $2000 on graphics cards.


So what about, let's say, 4000$ on graphic cards and a high end "luck of the silicon lottery edition" heavily overclocked CPU?

4x NVIDIA Titan Black in 4-way SLI + Intel Core i7-3960X overclocked to 5 GHz

That should do it, right?

5760 × 1080 = 6220800 pixels
3840 × 2160 = 8294400 pixels
close enough


Far Cry 3 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 4xAA 67.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 5760x1080 - Very High 4x AA 64.2 fps

Metro Last Light - 5760x1080 - Very High 53.0 fps

Battlefield 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 86.9 fps

Assassin's Creed 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 59.4 fps



Conclusion:

Barely pushes 60fps average. So min fps will be pretty low and you can forget about a smooth V-sync 60fps experience.

To be fair these benchmarks where made with AA but I think it gives you a good idea about how hard it is to push a stable fps at 4k even if you have an unlimited budget.

How could you not see that I was being facetious?
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How could you not see that I was being facetious?
This. Is. OC(D)N. lol
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I'm meaning what I wrote. I've heard about spending $2000 on graphics cards.


So what about, let's say, 4000$ on graphic cards and a high end "luck of the silicon lottery edition" heavily overclocked CPU?

4x NVIDIA Titan Black in 4-way SLI + Intel Core i7-3960X overclocked to 5 GHz

That should do it, right?

5760 × 1080 = 6220800 pixels
3840 × 2160 = 8294400 pixels
close enough


Far Cry 3 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 4xAA 67.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 5760x1080 - Very High 4x AA 64.2 fps

Metro Last Light - 5760x1080 - Very High 53.0 fps

Battlefield 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 86.9 fps

Assassin's Creed 4 - 5760x1080 - Ultra 59.4 fps



Conclusion:

Barely pushes 60fps average. So min fps will be pretty low and you can forget about a smooth V-sync 60fps experience.

To be fair these benchmarks where made with AA but I think it gives you a good idea about how hard it is to push a stable fps at 4k even if you have an unlimited budget.

Is this more of an Nvidia problem with SLI scaling? It seems like we are close, but wondered if it was mostly limited to NV SLI. Considering making a Rig for 4K

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Is this more of an Nvidia problem with SLI scaling? It seems like we are close, but wondered if it was mostly limited to NV SLI. Considering making a Rig for 4K
Hello Ghoxt,
this is the source for the bench: http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5231/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-black-4-way-sli-review
This should help you visualize how it scales.
In some games you'll notice you get clearly CPU limited. So that can be an issue. And it's also why I posted the results with a 5Ghz overclock.
post #47 of 48
Honestly.. we are talking about resolutions on Displays.
Just look at mobiles we got 1080p on 5' screens and people are mad because they didn't release 2k screens.

..and than, finally compare the densitiy.

1080p on 5' mobiles. Around 440 PPI.
4k on 24' around 183 PPI.
post #48 of 48
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Honestly.. we are talking about resolutions on Displays.
Just look at mobiles we got 1080p on 5' screens and people are mad because they didn't release 2k screens.

..and than, finally compare the densitiy.

1080p on 5' mobiles. Around 440 PPI.
4k on 24' around 183 PPI.
For me, 1080P is fine on a smartphone or 7" tablet.
On a 10" tablet, it's ok but a 2560x1440 display is ideal.
Unfortunately, I think there will be sub-5" 4K displays in the next 10 years.
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