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Sorry about leaving out a key point of detail. He will be using it to make youtube game videos, and some tournament casting from what he told me.
    
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Sorry about leaving out a key point of detail. He will be using it to make youtube game videos, and some tournament casting from what he told me.

Nearly any hyper/super/cardioid patterned mic will work, then. Since it seems that it has to be USB than the Yeti stuff should work for him... Unless he's very picky about certain things, in which case he should think about getting a real set-up.

Audio Technica also has a few USB mics, too.
Edited by DVLux - 4/4/14 at 7:42pm
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The Yeti is a great mic, but it's a large diaphragm condenser and will likely easily pick up background noise.

 

I still recommend a dynamic mic, or a "vocal mic". It will look like the kind of mic you would see a singer using in a band.

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The Yeti is a great mic, but it's a large diaphragm condenser and will likely easily pick up background noise.

I still recommend a dynamic mic, or a "vocal mic". It will look like the kind of mic you would see a singer using in a band.

Calling it a "Vocal mic" is misleading... Since you can get better vocals out of a condenser.

You see dynamic mics in bands because most "Bands" mistreat their mics. That, and they are cheap enough to replace.
Edited by DVLux - 4/5/14 at 8:23am
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Calling it a "Vocal mic" is misleading...

 

Musicians call dynamic mics "vocal mics" because dynamic mics are what you use for vocals on stage. Why are dynamics used? Because they don't pick up background noise anywhere near as much as condensers. The proximity effect is much more pronounced. Yes, drums and cymbals and guitar amps will bleed into the vocal mics, but it's nothing like the bleed you'd get if you were to use condensers as vocal mics. Not only that, but dynamic mics can take a lot more abuse.

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Musicians call dynamic mics "vocal mics" because dynamic mics are what you use for vocals on stage. Why are dynamics used? Because they don't pick up background noise anywhere near as much as condensers. The proximity effect is much more pronounced. Yes, drums and cymbals and guitar amps will bleed into the vocal mics, but it's nothing like the bleed you'd get if you were to use condensers as vocal mics. Not only that, but dynamic mics can take a lot more abuse.

"Musicians" tend to have studios where background noise(As in noise behind you) doesn't matter. tongue.gif

THe guy we are choosing a mic for will likely have the ventilator in the dead spot of the mic, anyhow, so I don't see the problem with a condenser. All he needs is to choose the polar pattern that will work with his placement.
Edited by DVLux - 4/5/14 at 8:37am
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Calling it a "Vocal mic" is misleading...

In the studio you'll sometimes see dynamic mics on vocals, sometimes it's even part of the vocalists sound, depends on genre too. Though mostly electric guitars, kicks, snares, sometimes ambient and wind instruments and toms(Californication uses an SM57 on the hi-hat which is quite interesting). Most studios prefer condensers or increasingly ribbon mics for vocals if they can afford it.
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Musicians call dynamic mics "vocal mics" because dynamic mics are what you use for vocals on stage. Why are dynamics used? Because they don't pick up background noise anywhere near as much as condensers. The proximity effect is much more pronounced. Yes, drums and cymbals and guitar amps will bleed into the vocal mics, but it's nothing like the bleed you'd get if you were to use condensers as vocal mics. Not only that, but dynamic mics can take a lot more abuse.
They also use dynamic mics live on pretty much everything 'cept drum overheads, as far as increased low end on condensers, a C451 with -12db@150Hz on will pick up less low end rumble than an SM58 through the stage, yes condensers have higher sensitivity, but well implemented eq and gating will negate it. The main reason that dynamics are used live for vocals as far as I can tell is down to the facts they're cheaper, sturdier, take a lot more SPL to damage or distort, and that in a loud live environment the differences in quality tend to be negligible.
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"Musicians" tend to have studios where background noise(As in noise behind you) doesn't matter. tongue.gif

 

I'm talking about live performances. That's why I said "on stage". You do NOT use dynamic mics in the studio for vocals! You use very high-end large diaphragm condensers. Why don't you use dynamic mics in the studio for vocals? Because the sound quality sucks in comparison.

 

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THe guy we are choosing a mic for will likely have the ventilator in the dead spot of the mic, anyhow, so I don't see the problem with a condenser.

 

What if his room is acoustically "live"? That is, having lots of reflective surfaces? In other words, what if he doesn't have carpet in this room, or what if it's a small room? I mean, you have to think of these things. Condensers are a VERY bad choice in a live room when you're looking for that "quiet, studio-quality" sound.

 

Consider this: large diaphragm condensers are also used as room mics. What are room mics? Room mics are just large diaphragm mics that are strategically positioned to pick up the sound of the room.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=room+mics&num=100&safe=off&client=firefox-nightly&hs=78o&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ISVAU5XsLc_JsQTP3YCAAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1508&bih=837

 

Dynamic mics are great for using in a noisy environment because of the proximity effect. For example: I have a dryer going behind me about 15 feet away. I can hear it pretty easily. Based on what I'm hearing right now, I can tell you with absolute certainty based on my experience with mics that a condenser would pick up the sound of this dryer from where I'm sitting a LOT better than a dynamic mic.


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I'm talking about live performances. That's why I said "on stage". You do NOT use dynamic mics in the studio for vocals! You use very high-end large diaphragm condensers. Why don't you use dynamic mics in the studio for vocals? Because the sound quality sucks in comparison.



What if his room is acoustically "live"? That is, having lots of reflective surfaces? In other words, what if he doesn't have carpet in this room, or what if it's a small room? I mean, you have to think of these things. Condensers are a VERY bad choice in a live room when you're looking for that "quiet, studio-quality" sound.

Consider this: large diaphragm condensers are also used as room mics. What are room mics? Room mics are just large diaphragm mics that are strategically positioned to pick up the sound of the room.

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Dynamic mics are great for using in a noisy environment because of the proximity effect. For example: I have a dryer going behind me about 15 feet away. I can hear it pretty easily. Based on what I'm hearing right now, I can tell you with absolute certainty based on my experience with mics that a condenser would pick up the sound of this dryer from where I'm sitting a LOT better than a dynamic mic.

That's not proximity effect as such, it's sensitivity.

Of course you CAN use dynamic mics in the studio and get great results, especially for heavier music. You'll have less issue with sibilance often too. It's just generally not done in favour of condensers as they have a better airier, more sizzly, tone that generally sounds more 'hi-fi'. Depends a lot on the kind of tone you want to get.
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Dynamic mics are usually need more eq
In the studio you'll sometimes see dynamic mics on vocals, sometimes it's even part of the vocalists sound, depends on genre too. Though mostly electric guitars, kicks, snares, sometimes ambient and wind instruments and toms(Californication uses an SM57 on the hi-hat which is quite interesting). Most studios prefer condensers or increasingly ribbon mics for vocals if they can afford it.
They also use dynamic mics live on pretty much everything 'cept drum overheads, as far as increased low end on condensers, a C451 with -12db@150Hz on will pick up less low end rumble than an SM58 through the stage, yes condensers have higher sensitivity, but well implemented eq and gating will negate it. The main reason that dynamics are used live for vocals as far as I can tell is down to the facts they're cheaper, sturdier, take a lot more SPL to damage or distort, and that in a loud live environment the differences in quality tend to be negligible.

 

I know that condensers are typically used for drum overheads. :) I'm a drummer, and have been for almost 21 years.

 

Anyway, yeah there are exceptions where dynamics are used for vocals in the studio, but generally, high-end large diaphragm condensers are preferred for vocals in the studio.

 

I'm fascinated that the hi-hats were miked up with an SM57 on Californication. That reminds me of my first "home studio" setup (lol). Two SM57s as overheads and a Beta 52 in my bass drum - all into a Behringer UB1202 with Sound Forge doing the recording. lol I knew better than to use SM57s as overheads, but it's all I had. I literally had no other mics to use.

 

That "home studio" stuff is a thing of the past for me though, but I'm still playing. I just lost interest in that. I'm mostly only interested in playing my instrument. However, and of course, it does help to know what you're talking about when working with the venue's sound engineer.

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