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That's not proximity effect as such, it's sensitivity.

Of course you CAN use dynamic mics in the studio and get great results, especially for heavier music. You'll have less issue with sibilance often too. It's just generally not done in favour of condensers as they have a better airier, more sizzly, tone that generally sounds more 'hi-fi'. Depends a lot on the kind of tone you want to get.

 

I think that it's time I fade into the background and let you teach this guy a thing or two. ;) Do you agree that a dynamic mic would be better for Slayem than a condenser?

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post #22 of 43
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I know that condensers are typically used for drum overheads. smile.gif I'm a drummer, and have been for almost 21 years.

Anyway, yeah there are exceptions where dynamics are used for vocals in the studio, but generally, high-end large diaphragm condensers are preferred for vocals in the studio.

I'm fascinated that the hi-hats were miked up with an SM57 on Californication. That reminds me of my first "home studio" setup (lol). Two SM57s as overheads and a Beta 52 in my bass drum - all into a Behringer UB1202 with Sound Forge doing the recording. lol I knew better than to use SM57s as overheads, but it's all I had. I literally had no other mics to use.

That "home studio" stuff is a thing of the past for me though, but I'm still playing. I just lost interest in that. I'm mostly only interested in playing my instrument. However, and of course, it does help to know what you're talking about when working with the venue's sound engineer.
This article covers most of the mics they used for that drum set up, they also stuck a U47 (£3000 Large diagphram condenser) inside the kick, a mic with a max SPL of 120 - 138 db mellowsmiley.gif
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/jim.htm

Sorry for being off topic but it's a great article. biggrin.gif
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post #23 of 43
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This article covers most of the mics they used for that drum set up, they also stuck a U47 (£3000 Large diagphram condenser) inside the kick, a mic with a max SPL of 120 - 138 db mellowsmiley.gif
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/jim.htm

Sorry for being off topic but it's a great article. biggrin.gif

 

I enjoyed reading that very much. Thank you!

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post #25 of 43
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I think that it's time I fade into the background and let you teach this guy a thing or two. wink.gif Do you agree that a dynamic mic would be better for Slayem than a condenser?
Whose Slayem?

Say I wanted to get a good vocal sound for a Stoner Metal band, I'd probably use an SM57 first, I might try comparing it with one or two condensers depending on the individual voice, but you don't really want a sparkly airy sound there.

I'm going to say, I have no idea how loud a ventilator is, if it's about the volume of breathing then it won't be too much of an issue.

There are actual noise cancelling microphones but they tend to have terrible sound quality, it's also possible to use a microphone close to the speaker, then another next to the offending sound and flip them out of phase in software, thus introducing destructive interference (much better sound quality but requires two mics, good software, knowledge of how to use the software and a cable stretched across your floor all the time).

With regards to dynamic vs condenser, the speech is almost certainly going to sound shinier and airier on a condenser, especially without signal processing on the dynamic, for someone wanting to plug in and record I'd say it's the best option because of this, although with the background sound you might need to gate it so sounds beneath xdB are cut out. A compressor with a noise-floor could also mitigate background noise a bit. I'd also recommend a cheap pop shield to tame the sibilance and plosiveness a little. The condenser will have higher sensitivity, but with
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post #26 of 43
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Whose Slayem?

 

The Thread Starter.

 

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Say I wanted to get a good vocal sound for a Stoner Metal band, I'd probably use an SM57 first, I might try comparing it with one or two condensers depending on the individual voice, but you don't really want a sparkly airy sound there.

I'm going to say, I have no idea how loud a ventilator is, if it's about the volume of breathing then it won't be too much of an issue.

There are actual noise cancelling microphones but they tend to have terrible sound quality, it's also possible to use a microphone close to the speaker, then another next to the offending sound and flip them out of phase in software, thus introducing destructive interference (much better sound quality but requires two mics, good software, knowledge of how to use the software and a cable stretched across your floor all the time).

With regards to dynamic vs condenser, the speech is almost certainly going to sound shinier and airier on a condenser, especially without signal processing on the dynamic, for someone wanting to plug in and record I'd say it's the best option because of this, although with the background sound you might need to gate it so sounds beneath xdB are cut out. A compressor with a noise-floor could also mitigate background noise a bit. I'd also recommend a cheap pop shield to tame the sibilance and plosiveness a little. The condenser will have higher sensitivity, but with

 

His uses are far too simple to justify doing all of that with a condenser (thus costing him even more money) when he could just get a dynamic mic.

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Oh, and post again to let me know when you finish your post. I just noticed. lol Sorry.

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post #28 of 43
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Oh, and post again to let me know when you finish your post. I just noticed. lol Sorry.
The bottom of my post got cut off somehow wth.gif

But, you can get problems with background noise on dynamic mics too, you need to apply more gain in general, especially if you're sat further from the microphone which will reduce the clarity of the sound, especially with the cheap, crappy preamps you get in USB mics, being close to the sound source is still important unless you're going for an ambient sound.

Overall I think a lot depends on the software their using, but for simplicity a USB dynamic mic should be sufficient, if not the best sounding option.
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His uses are far too simple to justify doing all of that with a condenser (thus costing him even more money) when he could just get a dynamic mic.

Dynamics and Consensers, generally, cost about the same for the low end anyhow.

Also, I don't think I have ever seen a USB Dynamic. O_o
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The bottom of my post got cut off somehow wth.gif

But, you can get problems with background noise on dynamic mics too, you need to apply more gain in general, especially if you're sat further from the microphone which will reduce the clarity of the sound, especially with the cheap, crappy preamps you get in USB mics, being close to the sound source is still important unless you're going for an ambient sound.

Overall I think a lot depends on the software their using, but for simplicity a USB dynamic mic should be sufficient, if not the best sounding option.

 

Yeah, and I don't remember if I did or not, but I hope that I clarified that with a dynamic USB mic, the distance would need to be kept at no more than about 12 inches for a good sound. Samson has audio samples of the Q1U and the Q2U and they have a fantastic quality to them: very warm, crisp and just very nice. So, I would say that the demonstrator was probably about 4-6 inches away from the mic.

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