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If you can find one in stock for that price. I would have mentioned it but I havent seen one in stock for like a week.

$160 on newegg and superbiiz

Still worth it at 160 imo.
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$160 on newegg

Still worth it at 160 imo.
In stock, definitely go for it OP. Get it before the stock runs out!
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you should buy this case,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhjoYbVX1XU

since its your first time build, it will be easier to build it since the motherboard platform sits horizontally.
and if you like the case consider watching the video and make sure you watch videos about every single part you are going to buy.
Its very important and will teach you things that will help you when you build your first pc.
Personally for me, thats exactly what i did and it helped me alot. Learning about how you should for example, after finishing build, make sure to set proper ram speed in bios.

I have 1600mhz ram and my bios had 1300mhz by default, i had to change it to 1600mhz to make sure i get what i paid for.
Also things to look out for, make sure you have enough cable ties, this coolermaster case has alot though. if you buy a different case, make sure it has many zip ties
and when you install all your components, it doesnt hurt to spend some time making all the wiring nice and neat.

dont be afraid to bend the wires a bit and when you put your motherboard down, dont forget to install the i/o shield first.
and dont be afraid to handle the components, you can also buy an anti-static mat or keep a second computer running and just touch a running powersupply before touching every component. Thats what i did, i dont like anti-static wrist bands so yea.
and just touch a metal door knob or metal chair, anything metallic to help discharge excess electrons.

one more thing to look out for, motherboards have some flex to it, circuit boards to, so dont worry if you notice the board bend a tiny bit, just make sure you fasten the screws down in X fashion
like this, just follow the numbers, each corner represents a screw to fasten, yes visuals help alot to remember


And...i think thats it. buy a sdd if you want your operating system to boot faster but that will make your build more expensive. dont spend no more than 90 bux on the mobo but
spend nice money on the powersupply, psu quality is very important. Seasonic is pretty good, i have corsair though and bought the psu before the vendors increased the prices on the 1200i
lousy vendors.

And. dont put your pc on the floor, exception to this, you could put it on a platform of some kind, i actually put my case sitting on two big phonebooks thumb.gif
helps keep the dust away, dust will kill your psu, although that case has good dust protection, still clean your pc every 6 months, get a air canister at the pc shop,
and put the pc outside or somewhere you dont care for to clean the dust out. thats it.
good luck
remember youtube video installations is your friend.
Edited by DrClaw - 4/4/14 at 11:30am
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i forget to mention you should make a list of all the things to do for installation, if you dont know pc parts that well so yea.

for me when it was my first time i did that and made a number list, i put down all the necessary precautions to make and important things to remember based on what i saw from install videos.
the upper hand for me was that i had a second computer running and monitor, so each part i installed, i had a youtube video open to show for.
if you want to see my first build its right there in my sig, i built a monster pc for first time lol

but i knew about pc parts pretty well for a long time before.
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i forget to mention you should make a list of all the things to do for installation, if you dont know pc parts that well so yea.

for me when it was my first time i did that and made a number list, i put down all the necessary precautions to make and important things to remember based on what i saw from install videos.
the upper hand for me was that i had a second computer running and monitor, so each part i installed, i had a youtube video open to show for.
if you want to see my first build its right there in my sig, i built a monster pc for first time lol

but i knew about pc parts pretty well for a long time before.

thanks for the help guys.

So much helpful info for my first build.

Also, that cooler master case is nice. but at 99 bucks...mmm im already pushing my budget..you have to remember that im on a 750 dollar budget and it has to include taxes because i live in CA, however, if i order stuff from tiger direct and certain merchants on amazon, i wont get taxed, but i also have to see shipping. So i will be choosing my stores wisely in the sense of not paying taxes and getting free shipping.

Pheew, looks like i have alot of HW to do tonight before starting on buying the parts.

also, i have been eyeing out the AMD build i was shown earlier in the thread. How much does it fall short compared to a build that includes a core i5 4670k?

I mean i love intel and my previous PCs have been Intel based, except for this lappy which is an AMD APU...but I just cant get over Intel, even if its paying a few extra bucks. I know I can save more money on an AMD Build...but how long can a 8350 last me for years to come? compared to a 4670k or even a 4770k? Can current Graphics card Bottleneck current CPUs?
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thanks for the help guys.

So much helpful info for my first build.

Also, that cooler master case is nice. but at 99 bucks...mmm im already pushing my budget..you have to remember that im on a 750 dollar budget and it has to include taxes because i live in CA, however, if i order stuff from tiger direct and certain merchants on amazon, i wont get taxed, but i also have to see shipping. So i will be choosing my stores wisely in the sense of not paying taxes and getting free shipping.

Pheew, looks like i have alot of HW to do tonight before starting on buying the parts.

also, i have been eyeing out the AMD build i was shown earlier in the thread. How much does it fall short compared to a build that includes a core i5 4670k?

I mean i love intel and my previous PCs have been Intel based, except for this lappy which is an AMD APU...but I just cant get over Intel, even if its paying a few extra bucks. I know I can save more money on an AMD Build...but how long can a 8350 last me for years to come? compared to a 4670k or even a 4770k? Can current Graphics card Bottleneck current CPUs?
Very open debate, but for 90% of programs the i5 will be faster since alot of programmers are still only using like 2 cores with the rest doing minor tasks. Few games utilize all, of even 4 cores.

Also, don't believe the, anti-static strap BS. Your working in a giant piece of metal, as long as you have the parts nearby and you arent on a carpet in vegas you should be fine. Ground yourself out on the case and your good.
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Very open debate, but for 90% of programs the i5 will be faster since alot of programmers are still only using like 2 cores with the rest doing minor tasks. Few games utilize all, of even 4 cores.

Also, don't believe the, anti-static strap BS. Your working in a giant piece of metal, as long as you have the parts nearby and you arent on a carpet in vegas you should be fine. Ground yourself out on the case and your good.

Yes i do know about grounding my self just by touching the case and what not. I have done it when i use to upgrade my old PCs PSU and Video card and all went well..


on a sad not, i just found out that my closes microcenter doesnt carry 4670k frown.gif...and since i wanted to get the bundle with the asrock z87 xtreme4, its a no go..at least i think thats what it is. because the cpu and mobo cost together 289 plus tax but the mobo has a mail in rebate of 20 dollars so it comes out to 269, but if you include tax, than that comes out to close to 297 bucks, which is not bad...the bad part is that the only CPU available in order to get the promo is the core i3 4340, which with mobo comes to 224 dollars. Honestly, i wouldnt mind using a core i3 for now and later down the road when black friday arrives, i can grab a 4770k since i saw them last year on black friday as low as 250.
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The fact that AMD build lets you go for a GTX 770 means
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Yes i do know about grounding my self just by touching the case and what not. I have done it when i use to upgrade my old PCs PSU and Video card and all went well..


on a sad not, i just found out that my closes microcenter doesnt carry 4670k frown.gif...and since i wanted to get the bundle with the asrock z87 xtreme4, its a no go..at least i think thats what it is. because the cpu and mobo cost together 289 plus tax but the mobo has a mail in rebate of 20 dollars so it comes out to 269, but if you include tax, than that comes out to close to 297 bucks, which is not bad...the bad part is that the only CPU available in order to get the promo is the core i3 4340, which with mobo comes to 224 dollars. Honestly, i wouldnt mind using a core i3 for now and later down the road when black friday arrives, i can grab a 4770k since i saw them last year on black friday as low as 250.
Don't take an i3 when you can have an i5, especially moving into the future, Haswell i3's a are a big step up from Sandy/Ivy but not very future proof. I don't know where this whole 'games use two cores' thing comes from but it's the exception rather than the rule. Even recent games that rely upon a strong single thread (Rome 2) can throw lots of other stuff on other cores which will improve performance. As for considering the AMD option think about the types of games you'd play, Cryengine 3, Unreal engine 4, Frostbite 3 are all supposed to scale with as many cores as you give them and would benefit a lot more in general from a GTX 770 than an i5. Wow, wot, Civ5, Total War(Rome 2: Total war still plays fine on AMD), and SC2 are better of on Intel. Most Source engine games you'll never see below 120 FPS on any i5/FX.


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The fact that AMD build lets you go for a GTX 770 means
Don't take an i3 when you can have an i5, especially moving into the future, Haswell i3's a are a big step up from Sandy/Ivy but not very future proof. I don't know where this whole 'games use two cores' thing comes from but it's the exception rather than the rule. Even recent games that rely upon a strong single thread (Rome 2) can throw lots of other stuff on other cores which will improve performance. As for considering the AMD option think about the types of games you'd play, Cryengine 3, Unreal engine 4, Frostbite 3 are all supposed to scale with as many cores as you give them and would benefit a lot more in general from a GTX 770 than an i5. Wow, wot, Civ5, Total War(Rome 2: Total war still plays fine on AMD), and SC2 are better of on Intel. Most Source engine games you'll never see below 120 FPS on any i5/FX.


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Well like I said, core i5 4670k isnt available at the nearest microcnter, and its the cheapest i can find it. in that regard, i can get the FX 8230 or what about the FX 9370? what would be different between that CPU and the 8320? or 8350? besides price difference of course

also, i play more FPS games and some racing games like raceroom, i dont play WoW or any type of MMO, I dont play much RTS games either. so yeah...More FPS than anything else
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Well like I said, core i5 4670k isnt available at the nearest microcnter, and its the cheapest i can find it. in that regard, i can get the FX 8230 or what about the FX 9370? what would be different between that CPU and the 8320? or 8350? besides price difference of course

also, i play more FPS games and some racing games like raceroom, i dont play WoW or any type of MMO, I dont play much RTS games either. so yeah...More FPS than anything else
The FX 9370, 8350 and 8320 are all the same, just separated by binning and thus clock speed. You'd need to buy a custom cooler to run the FX 9370 and it's price/performance isn't great.

Out of them all the 8320 is the best price/performance, for BF4 it's probably the best price performance CPU out there.

There's also the FX 6300 to consider.

Personally I'd recommend going no lower than the R9 270, it's a big difference from the R7 265 when overclocked and can be had at $180.

Also you could consider skimping on the mobo , getting a 4570/4670 no k at stock, should be fine for a mid end GPU like the 270/270X
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