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Why?

First off: you will never need all that power.

Second: it's not modular. Plus, the modular version of the HCG is only PARTIALLY modular.

Third: the 450-M is still better.

If you really don't trust me, then get the 550-M.

well theres the partially modular i meant. Usually the basic cables needed cant be unplugged.

also its not that i dont trust you but you have to remember my budget ( look at first post) on top of that you have to take into consideration that i live in CALIFORNIA!! The tax kills us everytime, and then maybe shipping if applicable.

I know there are deals around the areas u guys live but to us that live in CA...it just sucks, especially when trying to be on a budget


Edit:: I know you are saying that i wont need all that power, but from what i read and the type of future upgrades i might want later, 600-620w would be ideal for me, especially if ill be overclocking an i5 4670k and even maybe overvolting and overclocking a GFX card.

theres nothing bad about having more power than needed.
Edited by rudyae86 - 4/18/14 at 8:20pm
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well theres the partially modular i meant. Usually the basic cables needed cant be unplugged.

also its not that i dont trust you but you have to remember my budget ( look at first post) on top of that you have to take into consideration that i live in CALIFORNIA!! The tax kills us everytime, and then maybe shipping if applicable.

I know there are deals around the areas u guys live but to us that live in CA...it just sucks, especially when trying to be on a budget

 

On Amazon.com, both the Antec 620W HCG-M and the Rosewill 450-M are $79.99 shipped. The 450-M is a much newer and much higher quality PSU and still has all the power your rig will ever need, even with an R9 290 in it.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Certified-Modular-CAPSTONE-450-M/dp/B0081XXIHK

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On Amazon.com, both the Antec 620W HCG-M and the Rosewill 450-M are $79.99 shipped. The 450-M is a much newer and much higher quality PSU and still has all the power your rig will ever need, even with an R9 290 in it.

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-CAPSTONE-Certified-Modular-CAPSTONE-450-M/dp/B0081XXIHK


Mmmm im not sure if you read the other previous post...but i have a 20 dollar discount promo code to use on newegg..thats why i am only shopping on newegg for now.

how about seasonic PSUs?

I just dont trust rosewill lol..i know..some trust them..i just dont...i dont know why but i dont lol

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371072


those are 600w and above

now you said i wont need more than a 550w power supply.....

i guess you were talking about this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262
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Before I reply....

 

Rosewill used the Super Flower Golden Green to make the Capstone series, and Super Flower's Golden Green PSUs are known to be very good units. Just because the name "Rosewill" is on the outside, it doesn't mean that it's garbage because it's not a SeaSonic or a Corsair. lol

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Anyway, no, I said that you don't need anything bigger than a good quality-made 450W PSU, like the 450-M on Newegg for $69.99 with free shipping available:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

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oh ok

I guess this rosewill psu has good reviews...i guess i will have to take a chance lol

also...what if i end up considering going sli or crossfire?

I mean, i always change my mind about things.

also...

ill be running the following...if i choose to stay with a z87 board..

i5 4670k
a z87 ( not sure which one but might me a gigabyte mobo, want to overclock to 4.2 at least)
8gb of ddr3 RAM
1tb WD caviar blue HD
SSD ( this is later down the road and more likely a 240gb samsung ssd, will more likely buy on black friday)
Asus or TP link(dont remember how its spelled) Wireless adapter since the router is kind of far but get great signal with my laptop, and using cable isnt an option, so i must go wireless( suggesting a wireless adapter is appreciated though lol)
I have just received today my LG dvd optical drive.
I ordered my Corsair 300R case and i will likely add 2 more fans for a total of 4 fans on the case ( and maybe more down the road, i dont care about noise much since im mostly wearing my headphones everytime i play games or watch movies.
and for a graphics card im going with either a r7 265 or r9 270x just single card for now and then on black friday upgrade to an R9 290...but if i dont go R9 290, I might go and get a second card of either 265 or 270x (which ever i end up getting.

thats how its being planned out right now...

so, so far you can say i have, the dvd drive, WD hard drive ( arrives tomorrow), and the corsair 300r ( arrives next week), all i need is a PSU, MOBO, CPU, RAM, Wireless adapter, Graphics card (i cant actually wait on that since i can use the onboard video for now, although i know i wont game with it lol) and thats about it.

this build is going to be a work in progress, mainly because of the prices and what not

alsooooo

Although i wont overclock right away, i do plan on getting a custom cooler like the hyper evo 212 or a corsair h100 water cooler but thats down the road....

SO FOR A PSU, YOU WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT IS BEING PUT ON THERE...

and i have seen the math done in the first page of this thread...and someone recommended me a 600w or more PSU for my needs.

but if u say, i dont need more than 450w....i can go ahead and get that, but if it can handle my stuff....MMMMM... you will be in big trouble lol JK.
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oh ok

I guess this rosewill psu has good reviews...i guess i will have to take a chance lol

 

You're not taking a chance at all. Stop judging PSUs by their brand name. ;) Well, unless it's like a Diablotek or LC-Power or something like that, then yeah. Besides, I am absolutely 100.00% sure that this is is a good quality-made PSU. I know it is. That's different from only being 99.99% sure or thinking that it is. ;)

 

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oh ok

I guess this rosewill psu has good reviews...i guess i will have to take a chance lol

also...what if i end up considering going sli or crossfire?

I mean, i always change my mind about things.

 

With two 290s or what?

 

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also...

ill be running the following...if i choose to stay with a z87 board..

i5 4670k
a z87 ( not sure which one but might me a gigabyte mobo, want to overclock to 4.2 at least)
8gb of ddr3 RAM
1tb WD caviar blue HD
SSD ( this is later down the road and more likely a 240gb samsung ssd, will more likely buy on black friday)
Asus or TP link(dont remember how its spelled) Wireless adapter since the router is kind of far but get great signal with my laptop, and using cable isnt an option, so i must go wireless( suggesting a wireless adapter is appreciated though lol)
I have just received today my LG dvd optical drive.
I ordered my Corsair 300R case and i will likely add 2 more fans for a total of 4 fans on the case ( and maybe more down the road, i dont care about noise much since im mostly wearing my headphones everytime i play games or watch movies.
and for a graphics card im going with either a r7 265 or r9 270x just single card for now and then on black friday upgrade to an R9 290...but if i dont go R9 290, I might go and get a second card of either 265 or 270x (which ever i end up getting.

thats how its being planned out right now...

so, so far you can say i have, the dvd drive, WD hard drive ( arrives tomorrow), and the corsair 300r ( arrives next week), all i need is a PSU, MOBO, CPU, RAM, Wireless adapter, Graphics card (i cant actually wait on that since i can use the onboard video for now, although i know i wont game with it lol) and thats about it.

this build is going to be a work in progress, mainly because of the prices and what not

alsooooo

Although i wont overclock right away, i do plan on getting a custom cooler like the hyper evo 212 or a corsair h100 water cooler but thats down the road....

SO FOR A PSU, YOU WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT IS BEING PUT ON THERE...

and i have seen the math done in the first page of this thread...and someone recommended me a 600w or more PSU for my needs.

but if u say, i dont need more than 450w....i can go ahead and get that, but if it can handle my stuff....MMMMM... you will be in big trouble lol JK.

 

A good quality-made 550W PSU would be more than enough:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_270x_gaming_review,8.html

 

With one R9 270X under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 286W from the wall outlet. The 270X alone pulled 177W. So, let's add 180W just for good measure to calculate for two 270Xs. That makes the PSU pulling 466W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so we have to add up to (not exactly, but UP TO), 125W for your CPU overclocked. Adding that makes the PSU pulling 591W from the wall outlet. I'm far from done here, but so far this means that if the PSU were 90% efficient while pulling 591W from the wall, then the computer is pulling 532W from the PSU. Now, I'm almost done: you see, your gaming power consumption will be even lower than that, peaking at roughly 500-515W at the most. This would be just fine for a good quality-made 550W PSU like that 550-M you found.

 

However, if you go with a single 290, then the 450-M is all you'd need:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_review_benchmarks,10.html

 

With one R9 290 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 372W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so adding 125w makes the PSU pulling 497W from the wall. Let's round that up to 500W just because it's so close. So, this means that if the PSU were 90% efficient while pulling 500W from the wall outlet, then the computer is pulling 450W from the PSU. Again though, your gaming power draw will be lower than that, peaking at 400-425W at the most. That's fine for a good quality-made 450W PSU like the 450-M.

 

So, I would get a good quality-made 550W PSU like the 550-M so that you have that peace of mind. $64.99 shipped before CA tax isn't bad if you ask me!

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You're not taking a chance at all. Stop judging PSUs by their brand name. wink.gif Well, unless it's like a Diablotek or LC-Power or something like that, then yeah. Besides, I am absolutely 100.00% sure that this is is a good quality-made PSU. I know it is. That's different from only being 99.99% sure or thinking that it is. wink.gif


With two 290s or what?


A good quality-made 550W PSU would be more than enough:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_270x_gaming_review,8.html

With one R9 270X under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 286W from the wall outlet. The 270X alone pulled 177W. So, let's add 180W just for good measure to calculate for two 270Xs. That makes the PSU pulling 466W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so we have to add up to (not exactly, but UP TO), 125W for your CPU overclocked. Adding that makes the PSU pulling 591W from the wall outlet. I'm far from done here, but so far this means that if the PSU were 90% efficient while pulling 591W from the wall, then the computer is pulling 532W from the PSU. Now, I'm almost done: you see, your gaming power consumption will be even lower than that, peaking at roughly 500-515W at the most. This would be just fine for a good quality-made 550W PSU like that 550-M you found.

However, if you go with a single 290, then the 450-M is all you'd need:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_review_benchmarks,10.html

With one R9 290 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 372W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so adding 125w makes the PSU pulling 497W from the wall. Let's round that up to 500W just because it's so close. So, this means that if the PSU were 90% efficient while pulling 500W from the wall outlet, then the computer is pulling 450W from the PSU. Again though, your gaming power draw will be lower than that, peaking at 400-425W at the most. That's fine for a good quality-made 450W PSU like the 450-M.

So, I would get a good quality-made 550W PSU like the 550-M so that you have that peace of mind. $64.99 shipped before CA tax isn't bad if you ask me!

when you put it that way...than yes..i will only need a 550W power supply

Are you a seller for Rosewill? lol JK
I will go with the rosewill 550w and its also modular, so i can worry less about the cabling and keep my case cleaner and less clutter.

I dont think i will ever crossfire high end cards, only with low to mid end graphics cards...so anything like the r9 280x or 290 or even on the nvidia side like a gtx 780 ti, i would only go single card.

but my question now is, why the 600w and up psu are meant for?

I mean if you are saying that even if you overclock my build, i would only need a 550w psu but with even higher psu, whats the need for them?
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when you put it that way...than yes..i will only need a 550W power supply

Are you a seller for Rosewill? lol JK
I will go with the rosewill 550w and its also modular, so i can worry less about the cabling and keep my case cleaner and less clutter.

I dont think i will ever crossfire high end cards, only with low to mid end graphics cards...so anything like the r9 280x or 290 or even on the nvidia side like a gtx 780 ti, i would only go single card.

but my question now is, why the 600w and up psu are meant for?

I mean if you are saying that even if you overclock my build, i would only need a 550w psu but with even higher psu, whats the need for them?


Two 290s, two 780s, two GTX 770s, two 280Xs, three of them... etc. Or, if you had like the i7-4930K and were to heavily overclock it. That would consume a ton of power all by itself.

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Two 290s, two 780s, two GTX 770s, two 280Xs, three of them... etc. Or, if you had like the i7-4930K and were to heavily overclock it. That would consume a ton of power all by itself.

oh ok...yeah a 4930k is to expensive for me lol thats 3/4 of my budget for this build lol. I would pay about 1200 minimum for a PC frown.gif
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