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Who said anything about equalizing service? It's quite possible to do it in the sates just no one wants to. mainly because of things like this http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/02/us-usa-court-election-idUSBREA3116V20140402

Firstly, this is not actually completely a political issue so, please take that off the table.

We have 2 major issues with striking down roaming fees.

1) The FCC isn't even up to code on Cat 6. Cat 6 was "new" 10 years ago. The FCC is apparently the governing body of everything on land/air that involves communication. They are not up to par, period...As we witnessed with Verizon's recently court win where the Judge actually TOLD the FCC to revise their standards.

So, regardless of political motivation this isn't happening for that and that alone.

2) Service equalization in the US actually matters.

Why? Well, Chris, that's a simple answer.

There's a tremendous difference between 3G, 3G LTE, 4G and 4G LTE...

Our carriers in the US are just NOW standardizing their services so that a universal "handshake" COULD occur but, we're not even there yet...

Most towers are 3G//2G -- In fact, most providers, especially Verizon/ATT that guarantee you 4G are full of crap because in most COMMON areas, the best you'll get is 2G.

Europe's standard of service is 3G/4G which, are completely comparable thus, it's very easy to offer 1 "EU" blanketed service...All of the towers have the same standards.

I could take you to 5 towers within 1 hour from my house, each is 100% different. The ATT tower is 3G LTE with 10 year old tech...The Verizon is 4G but, isn't comparable with anything else because it's a brand new hub...The Tmobile tower is actually 2G...Which, isn't comparable with ANYTHING...and in fact, they pass you off to Sprint that has the crappiest 3G in the world because their tower is 10 year old tech as well.

Standards matter and in the US -- We have none.

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So in summation, regardless of politics, this just can't happen here until the FCC completely rebuilds themselves and re-defines the internet/cell/etc and we're also limited by tower technology due to competition and no definition of set standards, period.

It actually can, I've roamed all over the 50 states and use my cell phone Sprint BB 8830 at the time, the two place I did not are Washington state and Alaska.
 
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This is amazing news. I remember going Paris, making calls to family/friends and the phone bill ending up being more expensive than the total cost of food for the entire trip rolleyes.gif
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Any contract would be limited to a local bank I guess.

I know I couldn't pay for my German SIM with my British bank account.
Curious, but at the very least a foreign pre-paid SIM would be an option. Payment with PayPal or credit card or what have you.

So the question stands - why not get a SIM from whichever EU country offers the cheapest plan?
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Curious, but at the very least a foreign pre-paid SIM would be an option. Payment with PayPal or credit card or what have you.

So the question stands - why not get a SIM from whichever EU country offers the cheapest plan?

I guess nothing is stopping you then... other than having a funky number and no local support.
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It actually can, I've roamed all over the 50 states and use my cell phone Sprint BB 8830 at the time, the two place I did not are Washington state and Alaska.

...Erm. Okay, you seem to have missed the point, in it's entirety.

Europe has a very rigid standard of quality and service for it's mobile providers. 3g -> 4g -> 4g -> 3g -- All on the same exact standardized hubs.

The US does not.

So in Europe, all of the hardware is standardized therefor, the handshake can occur.

Here, you roam from 4g --> 2g --> 1g --> 3g --> 1g --> 4g --> 1g etc.

So yes you can roam, you can roam all you like but, the difference between 1g tech and 4g is basically comparing the Death Star to a Volkswagen. "These are not the droids we're looking for".

Not only do you roam, the service each tower provides is different because there's no standard technology. So you might be getting a 4g download but, a 2g upload...That means, because there's no set standard of service equality, this will never even be contemplated, period.

It's because of those lack of standards and the FCC issues that I mentioned before, that this will not happen here for a very long time.
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We're talking about fee's not quality and data speed

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We're talking about fee's not quality and data speed

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Literally just dealt with a tower last week, I'm having a hard time trying to understand what's so complicated about this.

In Europe you have a standardized service with standardized speeds. Up/Down remains the same. Towers use literally the same technology which is why your entire infrastructure is up to code and relatively the same costs between every provider.

Here you do not. Here, nothing atm is standard. Competition is constant and greed runs the entire service market. We have no standardized services...We have thousands upon thousands of miles of dormant fiber...Towers that can barely regulate their area let alone a handshake...

How do you expect to provide free roaming when over 50% of the time in the US you're actually on a 2G network, masquerading as 3G? It's absurd.

Also the EU has a regulatory commission that standardizes technology so EVERY TOWER HAS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY.

This is really really really simple. This WILL NOT happen in the United States regardless of ANYTHING POLITICAL until there's a standard quality of service and the FCC actually regulates the mobile market. Period.
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The up and down speeds do not matter nor does the quality of service, the simple fact that the customer does not revert to 25 years ago prices are what does. Standardized quality and connectivity are nice but not important nor germane to the discussion. People understand that if they are in an underserved area or a very populous are they are going to get less quality and slower speeds, there are places in the states still with no service and that is also understood. It won't happen in the US but it is entirely possible because people have been doing it for over 2 decades now.
 
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I changed my mobile operator to Sonera a while ago and apparently I can use my phone and the internet in the nordic and baltic countries without any extra charges thumb.gif
Removing mobile roaming fees might be a win-win situation since instead of limiting their phone use abroad, people could use it normally, which would possibly bring more money to the operators. Or alternatively we might see prices rising. Who knows.
   
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The up and down speeds do not matter nor does the quality of service, the simple fact that the customer does not revert to 25 years ago prices are what does. Standardized quality and connectivity are nice but not important nor germane to the discussion. People understand that if they are in an underserved area or a very populous are they are going to get less quality and slower speeds, there are places in the states still with no service and that is also understood. It won't happen in the US but it is entirely possible because people have been doing it for over 2 decades now.

This is where you're absolutely wrong.

Price has nothing to do with the 4 corners of OUR discussion. Standards do.

In the US by law, LAW, if there is not equality of service, there are no services offered...Free roaming qualifies since there is NO STANDARD OF SERVICE and by pushing for free roaming, you're uniting all services which, again ARE NOT EQUAL. There is no standard of service because the FCC is 2 decades behind in regulating ANYTHING.

Again, politics mean nothing in this situation when consumer laws bar this from EVER happening to begin with.

You're also completely side-stepping the entire fact that the FCC codes aren't up to snuff on this entire issue. So no, it's NOT POSSIBLE, until our service standards are equalized and the FCC does a complete and total re-vitalization of it's entire infrastructure.

In Europe, you hop from 3G to 4G which CAN exist on the same network because of hardware standards. In the US you hop, again from 1G to 4G to 1G to 2G to 4G...1G, 2G are NOT on the same networks as 3G and 4G therefor, this cannot be done on our current infrastructure (Said this 4x now).

In the US, at the rate we're currently moving, this will never happen in my lifetime. Regardless of cost. Regardless of politics. Regardless of anything political because until the FCC does a complete revamp of their standards and we start to standardize the protocols, this will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never happen.
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