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The up and down speeds do not matter nor does the quality of service, the simple fact that the customer does not revert to 25 years ago prices are what does. Standardized quality and connectivity are nice but not important nor germane to the discussion. People understand that if they are in an underserved area or a very populous are they are going to get less quality and slower speeds, there are places in the states still with no service and that is also understood. It won't happen in the US but it is entirely possible because people have been doing it for over 2 decades now.

This is where you're absolutely wrong.

Price has nothing to do with the 4 corners of OUR discussion. Standards do.

In the US by law, LAW, if there is not equality of service, there are no services offered...Free roaming qualifies since there is NO STANDARD OF SERVICE and by pushing for free roaming, you're uniting all services which, again ARE NOT EQUAL. There is no standard of service because the FCC is 2 decades behind in regulating ANYTHING.

Again, politics mean nothing in this situation when consumer laws bar this from EVER happening to begin with.

You're also completely side-stepping the entire fact that the FCC codes aren't up to snuff on this entire issue. So no, it's NOT POSSIBLE, until our service standards are equalized and the FCC does a complete and total re-vitalization of it's entire infrastructure.

In Europe, you hop from 3G to 4G which CAN exist on the same network because of hardware standards. In the US you hop, again from 1G to 4G to 1G to 2G to 4G...1G, 2G are NOT on the same networks as 3G and 4G therefor, this cannot be done on our current infrastructure (Said this 4x now).

In the US, at the rate we're currently moving, this will never happen in my lifetime. Regardless of cost. Regardless of politics. Regardless of anything political because until the FCC does a complete revamp of their standards and we start to standardize the protocols, this will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never happen.

"European Parliament votes to end mobile roaming fees"

price has everything to do with this thread
 
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While this is possible in the EU due to tower standards all being the same, this is not something that's possible here.

It's not even a political issue. The major issue is that the infrastructure doesn't exist to provide reasonably, the same service, across the country.
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"European Parliament votes to end mobile roaming fees"

price has everything to do with this thread

My discussion WITH YOU pertained to the UNITED STATES...Again, within the 4 corners of our discussion, price has absolutely nothing to do with MY discussion with YOU.

There are LEGAL limitations that outweigh price. Like service equality, failing infrastructure and greed. In the grand scheme of things, sure...But, COST is the element, not the price of a plan.

You PAY to roam because most networks go from 1g to 3g...YOU pay for that transfer fee. The EU is abolishing that because there is NO transfer fee because 3g directly ports across to 4g.

Again, I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. 3G -> 4G = FREE. 1G -> 4G = $$$$.
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I guess nothing is stopping you then... other than having a funky number and no local support.

It sounds like a win-win for the wealthy EU countries, but not so for the less privileged.
Yes, the wealthy "Latvian" (borrowed example from above) which would be traveling to Germany or Sweden often, will get cheaper calls to his HQ and family.

But the German resident getting a # and using it when @ home cause it is cheaper, might in the long end screwing up small telecom companies and their clients.

Someone will be "paying" for usage of the foreign network, and if it cannot be called "roaming charge" and directly be passed to the consumer, will either drive overall plan/talking minute/per MB charges screwing over the less wealthy "Latvian"or whoever citizen, or shift the profits of that small "Latvian" telecom to pretty much buy "time"/reserve slots in the German 4G/GSM cell networks, to the big fat German operator of those. Big-Fat companies in UK/France/Germany will have enough usage to pretty much "trade" traffic directly. I give you 1,000 # a day, you give me 1,100, no biggie.

But having 1,000s of "Latvian" #s operating in the UK, with a handful of the UK # in Latvia, obviously won't work. The UK carrier won't just "accept" this extra overhead. Will ask for money, money the Latvian company probably cannot afford cause the Latvian charges cannot support UK overhead.

It is like asking for manufacturing to come back in the EU and US to provide well paid jobs to local workers, but demand devices stay at the same cost as those currently manufactured in unregulated Chinese factories. You cannot have it both ways. Someone pays the cost, someone does the dirty work.


The system is not "outsmarted" this way.
Should the wealthy EU citizens try to take something cheaper from it, they will most surely end up screwing the less privileged, exactly how it happens in all other countries.

Business as usual that is.
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While this is possible in the EU due to tower standards all being the same, this is not something that's possible here.

It's not even a political issue. The major issue is that the infrastructure doesn't exist to provide reasonably, the same service, across the country.
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"European Parliament votes to end mobile roaming fees"

price has everything to do with this thread

My discussion WITH YOU pertained to the UNITED STATES...Again, within the 4 corners of our discussion, price has absolutely nothing to do with MY discussion with YOU.

There are LEGAL limitations that outweigh price. Like service equality, failing infrastructure and greed. In the grand scheme of things, sure...But, COST is the element, not the price of a plan.

You PAY to roam because most networks go from 1g to 3g...YOU pay for that transfer fee. The EU is abolishing that because there is NO transfer fee because 3g directly ports across to 4g.

Again, I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. 3G -> 4G = FREE. 1G -> 4G = $$$$.

Your discussion is outside the box of the discussion we're having. People have been roaming in America using different and using different networks and different connectivity methods for decades and being charged for it. People in Europe have been roaming using different and using different networks and different connectivity methods for decades and being charged for it. The European parliament has said you cannot do that punkt a soley political move. The senate, house, and pres can do exactly the same thing in the states whether you, or cell companies like it or not. They can also institute a price cap no matter who likes it or not, no comply = pulled spectrum with the recompense of the price originally paid for the spectrum. The non institution of a policy like this is solely political, people aren't going to magically travel more or consciously pick a slower network just because. Edge. hspda, 2g, 3g. or 4g networks don't play into the discussion whether you want them to or not. If I'm in a remote Spanish island I simply don't expect a super connection because it's a remote place no matter the cost. If you are in BFE Kansas you cannot expect an uber connection no matter the tech behind or standards. 20 years in the future however things will be different which is what is law really addresses.
 
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post #35 of 41
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Your discussion is outside the box of the discussion we're having. People have been roaming in America using different and using different networks and different connectivity methods for decades and being charged for it. People in Europe have been roaming using different and using different networks and different connectivity methods for decades and being charged for it. The European parliament has said you cannot do that punkt a soley political move. The senate, house, and pres can do exactly the same thing in the states whether you, or cell companies like it or not. They can also institute a price cap no matter who likes it or not, no comply = pulled spectrum with the recompense of the price originally paid for the spectrum. The non institution of a policy like this is solely political, people aren't going to magically travel more or consciously pick a slower network just because. Edge. hspda, 2g, 3g. or 4g networks don't play into the discussion whether you want them to or not. If I'm in a remote Spanish island I simply don't expect a super connection because it's a remote place no matter the cost. If you are in BFE Kansas you cannot expect an uber connection no matter the tech behind or standards. 20 years in the future however things will be different which is what is law really addresses.

I'm an Admin, with a line-tech certification. I literally deal with this bi-monthly...I actually hook up towers on occasion...Your ignorance on this subject, is baffling thus, afaic, I have other things to do after this post.

Within the 4 corners of this discussion fall failing infrastructure. Cost to upgrade that infrastructure and US law. US law, at it's core, especially CP laws, force a fair trade. There is no fair trade in a nation-wide free-roam market because constitutionally, Verizon et al. will actually charge us for it, regardless.

Again, within the 4 corners of the US you actually pay for the data transfer that occurs while roaming. Why? Because the United States does not have the infrastructure to handle direct communitication. I've already said this multiple times, I don't want to say it again.

It's estimated that for the US to meet the EU's standards in terms of infrastructure (including mobile), we'd have to spend over $100,000,000,000.00.

We're just not there yet, nor will we be...Further, if the House/Senate/Potus ever "passed" this, the FCC would kick it to SCOTUS and tie it up for YEARS before it even remotely became possible...Just sayin.

Once the FCC actually ramps up their standards and we start adhering to those standards, this becomes a possibility...Until then /discussion...Nothing more needs to be said in regards to the US.
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Unfortunately for companies, the European Trade department has always been very much sided with the consumer... so we tend to benefit a lot from it smile.gif

Companies can't avoid operating in the whole of the EU, so they are kind of forced to follow it's directives!

Wish we'd learn from the EU and bring some of these great ideologies and practices over to this country. We're so behind in Internet and Telecommunications technology here, its borderline depressing.
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Hmmm I'm Portuguese and I approve of this!

but more important for me than roaming costs are the Net Neutrality directives passed along in same vote and i find it odd that OCN would neglect this matter tongue.gif

At least that's what national news here in Portugal are focusing on!

Bye Bye traffic shaping! i hope!

http://gigaom.com/2014/04/03/european-parliament-passes-strong-net-neutrality-law-along-with-major-roaming-reforms/

They also introduced strong net neutrality laws. The document includes:

Amendment 234:
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“Net neutrality” means the principle according to which all internet traffic is treated equally, without discrimination, restriction or interference, independently of its sender, recipient, type, content, device, service or application.
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http://gigaom.com/2014/04/03/european-parliament-passes-strong-net-neutrality-law-along-with-major-roaming-reforms/

They also introduced strong net neutrality laws. The document includes:

Amendment 234:
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“Net neutrality” means the principle according to which all internet traffic is treated equally, without discrimination, restriction or interference, independently of its sender, recipient, type, content, device, service or application.

So does that mean the ban upon Pirate bay will be lifted in the UK anytime soon ? tongue.gif

It's a good thing they're doing this, I was sick of taking a holiday abroad and being charged an extortionate amount just to call home. thumb.gif
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So does that mean the ban upon Pirate bay will be lifted in the UK anytime soon ? tongue.gif

Heh, unlikely... that falls under services being blocked for legal reasons... not genuine services being traffic shaped.

But in theory, it should mean that ISP's can no longer traffic shape P2P as it's technically not illegal.
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i see my rant was taken off biggrin.gif

so on topic - great for the consumer thumb.gif
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