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Well, buy whatever you want thumb.gif I just see the DCII as a rushed, incomplete card. In most reviews that show VRM temps, the DCII is always above the 90C range, whereas the Gaming is much lower (Gaming, DCII). Although it's said that those temps are within spec, there's no way in hell that it's recommended to keep them at those temps. The hotter the VRMs (or any component) gets, the less efficient they are, the less power is outputted (the hotter it is, the more power is absorbed by the heat, simply put), and the higher chance there is that they'll blow.

Looking at the cooling on the GPU, the DCII does seem to be a bit better since it's at a lower fan speed, but all things considered, the MSI Gaming is the better overall card. I'd be much more comfortable with a 2C hotter core, 20C cooler vrms, and cooler VRAM. Just my 2c.

 

Again:

 

Regarding the VRM temps:

 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/asus-r9-290-direct-cu-ii-oc-review-1600p-ultra-hd-4k/28/

 

Screenshot:

 

 

R9290DirectCUIIVRM.png 

 

As you can see, the sensor is not in the correct spot. That's why the reported VRM temps are high. That sensor is not picking up the temperatures of the VRMs.

 

I do not want to have to have a higher fan speed just to achieve the same temps. That means the fan will have to be louder. So, no. I will most likely go with the DirectCU II.

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IMO none of the 290/Xs are truly fully ideal.

Some blurbs on cons/pros of the aftermarket 290s from my research:

MSI GAMING 290/X:
-Cards manufactured on or before November 2013 are subject to leaky fan bearings as a result of a supply chain issue.
+6+2 power phase and real custom PCB, 3 year warranty by serial number, affordable.

ASUS DirectCU 290/X:
-Cooler transplanted straight from GK110 design.
+6+2+2 power phase beats the lot, and quietest fans, 3 year warranty by serial number.

Gigabyte Windforce 290/X:
-Cooler transplanted straight from GK110 design, analogous 5+1 power phase to reference, huge.
+Affordable, 3 year warranty by serial number (IIRC).

Sapphire Tri-X 290/X:
-Same PCB as reference, even down to 5+1 power phase, 2 year warranty, expensive, huge.
+Fully custom cooler and "guaranteed" Hynix memory chips.

Powercolor PCS+ 290/X:
-5+1+1 power phase, speculation of being "slower" than other 290/Xs at same clocks, expensive, huge,
+Fully custom cooler.


Seems there's really no drop-dead amazing 290/X to gun for. Can't really go wrong with the ASUS for the price though, especially since it's just a little HSF-customization away from being near-perfect.
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Yeah, I mean, all I have to do now is figure out if any DirectCU II R9 290 owners are getting black screen crashes and then I'll have my decision made. It's currently a toss-up for me right now between the MSI Gaming and the ASUS DirectCU II because the Tri-X is just a few millimeters too long for my case.

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I just cancelled my order mad.gif

It looks like a poor design, and now I look at it, the cooler just doesn't even look right on the card. I think I'll go for the sapphire card and try to fit a backplate and change the colour to red
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Yeah, I mean, all I have to do now is figure out if any DirectCU II R9 290 owners are getting black screen crashes and then I'll have my decision made. It's currently a toss-up for me right now between the MSI Gaming and the ASUS DirectCU II because the Tri-X is just a few millimeters too long for my case.

I think I'm getting the Tri-X now. Is there no way you can mod the case? :/ Or if you are gutsy, mod the shroud on the gpu? Or is the PCB itself too long?
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I just cancelled my order mad.gif

It looks like a poor design, and now I look at it, the cooler just doesn't even look right on the card. I think I'll go for the sapphire card and try to fit a backplate and change the colour to red

 

I think that it's just fine. Study the professional reviews. For example:

 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/asus-r9-290-direct-cu-ii-oc-review-1600p-ultra-hd-4k/28/

 

R9290DirectCUIIVRM.png 

 

I compared reviews of the DirectCU II 290 to reviews of the heavily-recommended MSI Gaming 290 and even though both cards got the same temps in Furmark, the MSI Gaming 290 needed its fan speed to be at 64% while the DirectCU II only needed 50%. So, I'm most likely going to get the DirectCU II 290.

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I think I'm getting the Tri-X now. Is there no way you can mod the case? :/ Or if you are gutsy, mod the shroud on the gpu? Or is the PCB itself too long?

 

It's too long, and I currently don't own the tools to mod my case - nor do I want to. I don't want to affect its already-declining resale value. :)

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post #18 of 35
Fair enough, well good luck with the Asus card smile.gif I'm not happy spending £50 more when I'm unsure about the quality

This generation of cards has been very slow getting new revisions out
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Fair enough, well good luck with the Asus card smile.gif I'm not happy spending £50 more when I'm unsure about the quality

This generation of cards has been very slow getting new revisions out

 

Compare its thermal performance to the MSI Gaming 290 (same reviewer, same testing methods):

 

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-r9-290-oc-gaming-edition-review-1600p-ultra-hd-4k/28/

 

Almost the same temps exactly, but a higher fan speed. That tells me that the DirectCU II 290 is better.

 

I will trust ASUS on their word that the VRMs are well within temp specs. Plus, I won't be overclocking. After all, if I have any problems related to overheating VRMs, then I'll just return the card to Amazon.com as being defective.

 

All I have to do now is figure out if the DirectCU II R9 290 suffers from black screen issues due to the Elpida memory.


Edited by TwoCables - 4/3/14 at 12:59pm
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I don't recommend buying a DCUII 290 series. I have to actually underclock my cards stock OCed memory to avoid artifacting and (eventual) crashes. Not to mention the card runs fairly hot (usual temps in the high 70s in gaming at 70% fan, low 80s in heaven/valley at 70-80% fan). I contemplated doing a return, but I've heard this is par the course for these cards and I got boned by Newegg's replacement only policy. I figured I could at least sell it for a decent return, but with 290x's now being worth peanuts and no one buying them with the mining market crash I am basically SOL.

I guess the one good thing about the card is VRM temps are generally lower than my Tri-X.
 
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