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The DRAM selected is an up-rated (over-volted rating) JEDEC minimum standard DIMM with no significant headroom to work with. At 1600-11@1.5V it is already being run near the edge of anticipated stability. It just means that they likely used low binned ICs to build it. It's cheap for a reason right now. Kingston has a bunch of cheapo 1.65V kits on the market right now that are just "bare minimum" binned chips. I try to avoid them in build recommendations unless the $5 it saves is absolutely necessary.

When we are concerned with quality, we don't build with HEC PSUs, or motherboards from emachines (seriously that's the sort of board that E33 is), or memory that barely passed the minimums. It's a recipe for problems. If that's what we want, we can go to walmart and buy that sort of stuff already assembled with a warranty that covers the machine "as a whole." It doesn't make sense to take on the down-sides that come with building a machine (meaning the individual components are warrantied separately and the machine must be diagnosed at ones own expense) if we're just going to fill it with the same sort of stuff that comes with a pre-made junker that would cost even less.
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The DRAM selected is an up-rated (over-volted rating) JEDEC minimum standard DIMM with no significant headroom to work with. At 1600-11@1.5V it is already being run near the edge of anticipated stability. It just means that they likely used low binned ICs to build it. It's cheap for a reason right now. Kingston has a bunch of cheapo 1.65V kits on the market right now that are just "bare minimum" binned chips. I try to avoid them in build recommendations unless the $5 it saves is absolutely necessary.

When we are concerned with quality, we don't build with HEC PSUs, or motherboards from emachines (seriously that's the sort of board that E33 is), or memory that barely passed the minimums. It's a recipe for problems.
Fair enough. Those are all great points. Though who cares if there is headroom in the RAM, alot of people don't overclock their RAM. But it is still a good point. For that you are in the lead. Sorry Postal.
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We need more contestants. I'd like to see a better build than mine because I'd prefer a gamer who can appreciate the prize be the winner here wink.gif I'm just here for the prestige wink.gif
     
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well... one big stipulation not mentioned... do you have to buy all the parts at once!?

I'm pretty sure the rig I pieced together over the past month would win the bang for the buck challenge.

It's a combination of newegg deals of the day/shell shockers, and one part from amazon.

Here's my items and after discount/promo/rebate price (I do get all of my rebates b/c I'm meticulous):

Raidmax Helios: $25
ECS A970m: $15 - Posting said no ECS... but since I actually already built this machine and it's running great, I'm leaving this in here. Mobo works fine, UEFI is ok, just wouldn't try to OC it.
Thermaltake TR2 600w: $30
EVGA 750 superclocked: $110
AMD 6350: $115
8gb Gskil Ares 1600: $60
WD 1tb 7200rpm 64mb: $60
Crucial 120gb SSD $60
Cisco dual band N usb adapter: $20

$495 total. The GPU came with 3 game codes, which I sold for $10 each on ebay. = $465
*Again, that's after about $100 in rebates*

of course you could shed the SSD and then you're down at $405 - shed the wireless N adapter and it'd be at $385
Edited by jriley9922 - 4/4/14 at 10:41am
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well... one big stipulation not mentioned... do you have to buy all the parts at once!?

I'm pretty sure the rig I pieced together over the past month would win the bang for the buck challenge.

It's a combination of newegg deals of the day/shell shockers, and one part from amazon.

Here's my items and after discount/promo/rebate price (I do get all of my rebates b/c I'm meticulous):

Raidmax Helios: $25
ECS A970m: $15
Thermaltake TR2 600w: $30
EVGA 750 superclocked: $110
AMD 6350: $115
8gb Gskil Ares 1600: $60
WD 1tb 7200rpm 64mb: $60
Crucial 120gb SSD $60
Cisco dual band N usb adapter: $20

$495 total. The GPU came with 3 game codes, which I sold for $10 each on ebay. = $465
*Again, that's after about $100 in rebates*

of course you could shed the SSD and then you're down at $405
I did say no MIR's I believe, and if I didn't I have to add that. Some manufacturers do not honor their MIR's. No matter how hard I tried, MSI refused to send me my $20 MIR. Other then that, the PSU is garbage. It was cheap for a reason. Everything else is very nice! But I will have to say yes, all at once, because if not I could be like. GTX titan, 4960X, Maximus motherboard and go, Oh but in like 20 years it will be like $500 for all that. So will have to say all at once. Sorry. mad.gif
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I object to the "only APUs" rule. If Pentiums are still viable then so are Athlons.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-HD3 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($64.68 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($161.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $477.72
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~$510 without the MIRs
Edited by Yorkston - 4/4/14 at 11:34am
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lol.. i always get my MIR. They're semi-confusing on purpose... but when I fill them out 'to the T', they always come.

Yes the PSU and mobo are a little lackluster... but you asked for the cheapest PC that will play at 45+ fps. This one definitely will. Just b/c you deem the PSU junk doesn't mean it doesnt get the job done. lol
Considering the gtx750 doesnt even use pins from the power supply, it runs just off the PCI-E socket power... i dont except this PSU to be taxed much. I wouldnt hook a 780 up to it though.

I don't care about the steam game or winning... just saying what's possible if you deal hunt for a few weeks.
Considering nobody else is including a SSD or dual band network card,

$385 A/R for:
Raidmax Helios
ECS A970m-deluxe
Thermaltake TR2 600w
EVGA 750 superclocked
AMD 6350
8gb Gskil Ares 1600
WD 1tb 7200rpm 64mb:

this is a crazy contest by the way... anyone submitting is going to be looking at teh same parts via partspicker.
is it who can cut the most corners? 200gb hd, 4gb ram, 300w psu, $10 case, celeron processors? lol
Edited by jriley9922 - 4/4/14 at 11:04am
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Though who cares if there is headroom in the RAM, ..

..So that when you mix it with another DIMM later, there's less chances of problems wink.gif . The H81 can't even overclock the RAM so that's not the issue at all. I always like to see a kit that has some headroom beyond JEDEC minimums even if I have no plans to implement it beyond those minimums (When I build machines for other people who don't care about the piddly performance differences from RAM performance tuning, I usually run the RAM at conservative speeds/timings purely to eliminate it as a source of problems). That "headroom" that I look for can be in the form of lower voltage, higher speeds, or tighter timings, as long as it exceeds the minimum it is more likely to play nice in the long run when mixed with other memory and used in less expensive boards that may not have the tight voltage regulation we are used to seeing on enthusiast class stuff. The "ADATA" kit that I chose, rated 1866-10@1.5V is an example of something that "exceeds the minimums" as it is rated for higher speeds and tighter timings at 1.5V than a "Traditional" JEDEC minimum kit.
     
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I object to the "only APUs" rule. If Pentiums are still viable then so are Athlons.

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CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-HD3 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($64.68 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($161.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($41.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $469.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-04 13:49 EDT-0400)

~$495 without the MIRs
They still make Pentiums. The Pentium mentioned above is a Haswell, meaning it was made within the last year, whereas the Athlon was made in like 2012, which granted is fairly recent, but to be fair to the newer processors, I gotta exclude them.

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lol.. i always get my MIR. They're semi-confusing on purpose... but when I fill them out 'to the T', they always come.

Yes the PSU and mobo are a little lackluster... but you asked for the cheapest PC that will play at 45+ fps. This one definitely will. Just b/c you deem the PSU junk doesn't mean it doesnt get the job done. lol
Considering the gtx750 doesnt even use pins from the power supply, it runs just off the PCI-E socket power... i dont except this PSU to be taxed much. I wouldnt hook a 780 up to it though.

I don't care about the steam game or winning... just saying what's possible if you deal hunt for a few weeks.
Considering nobody else is including a SSD or dual band network card,

$385 A/R for:
Raidmax Helios
ECS A970m-deluxe
Thermaltake TR2 600w
EVGA 750 superclocked
AMD 6350
8gb Gskil Ares 1600
WD 1tb 7200rpm 64mb:

this is a crazy contest by the way... anyone submitting is going to be looking at teh same parts via partspicker.
is it who can cut the most corners? 200gb hd, 4gb ram, 300w psu, $10 case, celeron processors? lol
In my first post I said no crappy motherboards or PSU's, sorry but that is the rules. And yes, that PSU will hold out for quite a while, but I for sure cant accept the ECS motherboard. Yes it is very possible to build a rig for cheaper by waiting for deals, my Black Jarvis rig is proof of that. I got everything in that rig for under $2700. But if someone wanted to build it right now, they couldn't build yours for that price. Sorry.

Also, people dont have to look at PCpartpicker. Often times there are deals on the websites that PCpartpicker doesnt have, NCIX especially has those hidden, on-site deals.
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The 760k was released in June 2013, that's not exactly ancient technology. It is a Richland APU minus the GPU part, they will probably do something similar with Kaveri this year.
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