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specops started off the comparison. he was saying a GTX 780 (1300 Mhz) beats a R9 290X (1150 mhz) clearly. I don't agree with that. he is trying to justify his GTX 780 purchase. thumb.gif

Why would he be trying to justify his 780 purchase when he owned an unlocked 290 and a 780 at the same time?

While he was in possession of both cards, he did one of the most comprehensive set of tests I've ever seen. Who else has done all the tests he did and then included the actual graphs from Afterburner from the tests so we could see if any throttling was skewering the scores?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1452828/reference-card-overclocking-battle-r9-290-vs-r9-290x-vs-gtx-780

In benches like Hitman and AVP, I can see the 780 not being equal even with a 150 mhz advantage.

But then in others like Metro and Sleeping Dogs, no.

Can we just agree to disagree and move on instead of making accusations please?
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Yeah, even the 290 beats a 780, so anyone who thinks the 290X is beaten by the 780 hasn't done their homework. It's a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion.

That is not what he's saying. He's saying the 780 needs an overclock to beat the 290/290x but his numbers show the overclock needed to catch them being lower than what the others think it should be.

And then the fight started.........
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Oh. lol

 

Thank you, mcg75.

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Can we just agree to disagree and move on instead of making accusations please?

you have on many occasions stated a r9 290 at 1200 mhz matches a GTX 780 at 1300 mhz when compared on avg across a range of games . Applying that logic would mean a R9 290X at 1125 mhz can match both of those. this is quite straightforward

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/64491-gigabyte-gtx-780-ti-ghz-edition-review-8.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65702-powercolor-r9-290x-pcs-4gb-review-8.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/65741-xfx-r9-290-double-dissipation-review-8.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/63051-evga-gtx-780-classified-review.html

Crysis 3 does not favor AMD cards. so its a good measure to compare cards.

GTX 780 Ti Ghz (1258 mhz) - 57.55
PCS+ R9 290X (1219 Mhz) - 53.44
XFX R9 290 (1277 Mhz) - 49.01
EVGA GTX 780 (1320 Mhz) - 47.64

GTX 780 Ti (1000 mhz) = R9 290X (1125 Mhz) = R9 290 (1200 Mhz) = GTX 780 (1300 Mhz)

that would sum up how these cards stack up. At max overclocks the GTX 780 Ti is far and away the clear winner with +15% because it can easily hit 1400 mhz on the kingpins.
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specops started off the comparison. he was saying a GTX 780 (1300 Mhz) beats a R9 290X (1150 mhz) clearly. I don't agree with that. he is trying to justify his GTX 780 purchase. thumb.gif


I'm not justifying anything. I am reporting a very well documented comparison that is to the point relevant to this thread. As usual, you're only posting second-hand knowledge that you pick and choose to fit your agenda. I'm totally done with you. I'm blocking you and would really appreciate if you did the same to me.
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you have on many occasions stated a r9 290 at 1200 mhz matches a GTX 780 at 1300 mhz when compared on avg across a range of games . Applying that logic would mean a R9 290X at 1125 mhz can match both of those. this is quite straightforward

There is a reason for that actually.

Every time I'd say it was less, I'd be in an argument with somebody. So I gave in and settled on 100 mhz being a compromise.

My own testing has shown there to be about a 15% difference in 780 to 780 Ti.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1453911/780-vs-780-ti-performance-in-4-tests-in-the-same-rig

So the 290 and the 290x are sitting somewhere in that 15%.

Which means that if a 780 clocked at 1150 mhz matches a 780 Ti at 1000 mhz then the other two fall somewhere in between.
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There is a reason for that actually. Every time I'd say it was less, I'd be in an argument with somebody. So I gave in and settled on 100 mhz being a compromise.

My own testing has shown there to be about a 15% difference in 780 to 780 Ti.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1453911/780-vs-780-ti-performance-in-4-tests-in-the-same-rig

So the 290 and the 290x are sitting somewhere in that 15%.

Which means that if a 780 clocked at 1150 mhz matches a 780 Ti at 1000 mhz then the other two fall somewhere in between.

clock for clock the gap between GTX 780 and 780 Ti is closer to 20% if you saw that hardwarecanucks review OC section. the R9 290X is probably 8 - 10% slower than GTX 780 Ti. Crysis 3 is a shader bound game. so it shows that 20% gap. if your game is ROP bound then maybe the gap reduces. thumb.gif
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i prefer the 780 but have you looked a benchmarks that compare the two
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I don't have an dog in the fight but it truly does seem to be a trade off between the two cards. The 290/290x is faster clock for clock than the 780, but how high will you be able to clock for your given card? That is the greatest question and ultimately your playing the silicon lottery less you spend 700$ on a 290x Lightening. From my understanding at least on air it seems somewhat difficult to reliably hit 1200 on the core on the 290/290x. If the damn 290x lightening would come down to 550-600$ it would be a clear decision for me at least but with the 780 Classy sitting at 550$, a known heavy overclocker even on air it makes it a bit more difficult at least from my perspective for the games i'm looking forward to, to go with a 290 Tri-X or Vapor X for somewhere around 490$

Though i'll be waiting to see when we can expect maxwell or pirate islands ultimately be it on 20nm or 28nm
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i wouldn't get the card that maybe a few frames faster - i would want the one that's going to be the quietest and due to different brands out there it seems MSI have red and green near enough equal thumb.gif

this is the review between 290x and 780ti here

I know its not 290 vs 780 just showing here the heat noise and wattage here if you read through that is and how its changed thumb.gif
Edited by ladcrooks - 4/6/14 at 11:20pm
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