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let's not forget drivers here... ESPECIALLY if you think you might add a 2nd GPU down the road.

AMD's x-fire drivers were horrible... at least for my two 7950s. It was a never ending nightmare on various levels... Not going to get into it in depth.

When the bitcoin craziness happend a few months ago, the FIRST thing i did was offload those two cards for more than i originally paid for them and buy two 770 4gbs. Nvidia drivers are amazing, they actually work and I don't have to hack my registry and haven't had a single crash... vs 1 or more daily with 7950s

I had a lot of issues with my 7950 xfire setup too. Mostly suttering and poor scaling. I have to say my 290x xfire setup has none of those issues. Maybe it is the bridgeless xfire design? Working great now
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I do not plan on ever using crossfire. If i got an R9 290 i would get a 780 classified after that so i could compare the two, and switch back and forth. Whichever card i don't have in my main rig will then be part of my mobile mini-itx build that i am hopefully going to finish by the end of the year.

Oh. I totally forgot about mining! I definitely want to be able to mine at decent speeds when not gaming.

As far as water cooling goes, I do plan on building a water cooling loop in the future.
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Which R9 290 would you guys recommend?
    
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Oh. I totally forgot about mining! I definitely want to be able to mine at decent speeds when not gaming.

As far as water cooling goes, I do plan on building a water cooling loop in the future.

AMD cards poop on Nvidia cards for mining (right now anyway, until big Maxwells come out). It's more due to OpenCL optimization of mining programs over CUDA optimization. There was a funny instance where a 780 or 780 Ti would mine some coins a little faster than the 290/X on CUDAMiner for a week or two. Then when the OpenCL optimizations came out, the 290/X became twice as fast as the Nvidia counterparts (e.g. Protoshares X).

It seems to be more a historical thing since the Evergreen (5000 series) since the compute performance of the latest Nvidia/AMD cards are comparable; developers just prefer OpenCL mining though.

Nvidia cards have more consistent resale value and a singular great manufacturer (eVGA), whereas the 290/Xs all seem to have some weak points here or there. The resale value of AMD cards is consistent with the boom/bust cycle of GPU mining at the time, and thus it's possible you might sell your card for more than you bought it for down the line.

With a custom loop the main day-to-day difference between the two will be more power consumption with the 290.
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let's not forget drivers here... ESPECIALLY if you think you might add a 2nd GPU down the road.

AMD's x-fire drivers were horrible... at least for my two 7950s. It was a never ending nightmare on various levels... Not going to get into it in depth.

When the bitcoin craziness happend a few months ago, the FIRST thing i did was offload those two cards for more than i originally paid for them and buy two 770 4gbs. Nvidia drivers are amazing, they actually work and I don't have to hack my registry and haven't had a single crash... vs 1 or more daily with 7950s

I've used all sorts of ATi (AMD) cards in crossfire throughout the years, going all the way back to 4870's, only once did I ever have a problem (used two bridges), and that was remedied quickly. Since then I've used 5850's, 5870's, 6870's, 6950's, 7770's, and some others I've surely forgotten about. They're great running cards.


OP, In regards to which card you should buy, it really depends on the resolution you play at and which games you play.

I'm using an Evga 780 classified at the moment, and this thing plows through everything I throw at it. You mentioned BF4 and how the 290 does better, well, on Ultra settings @ 1080p, runs between 65 and 100 FPS depending on what's going on, I'd say my 780 averages somewhere in the 80 FPS range. (For what it's worth BF3 on ultra runs above 150FPS)

Also, you say you play Planetside a lot, which uses PhysX, so you'll get an extra visual goodie from the Nvidia card.

And you also have to realize that AMD cards are overpriced right now due to bitcoin.

Also, the 780 is QUIET!!!! Runs cool as a cucumber, even at full load. I have yet to see it go over 69C.

The system I'm currently using: i5 3570k (@ stock), Asus P8Z77-V Pro, Crucial Ballistix 8GB, Evga 780 Classified.


PS: Don't look at old reviews and complaints about the 780 and BF4, there have been numerous driver releases since those reviews were written and performance has increased.
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I recently built my first rig, but I don't have a GPU yet. I have looked at both the R9 290 and GTX 780, and I can not decide which to get. I am a competetive gamer, and I play all sorts of games, but right now I mainly play Battlefield 4, Planetside 2, and Team Fortress 2. Neither Planetside 2 or TF2 are optimized for a certain GPU vendor, but BF4 is optimized for use with AMD Radeon cards with the new mantle stuff.

After comparing the reference models of the two cards, I find the R9 290 to be slightly better in terms of core speed, memory capacity, memory bus, memory bandwidth, shader processing units, render output units, pixel rate, the R9 290 is ~7 months newer and supports DX 11.2, and it is cheaper than a 780.

On the other hand, the GTX 780 only wins in terms of memory speed, texture mapping units, texture rate, and power consumption.

Which do you guys think would be better for the money?

You can't compare cross-card with stuff like core counts and frequency - it's different architecture. Also, that's stock frequencies, which are quoted differently:

AMD cards do "up to" a certain number, usually say 950mhz for reference, over 1k for non-reference

while nvidia does a base frequency, a boost frequency and another "max boost" frequency, which is where the clocks can actually go to.

With both of those options, you would be clocking manually anyway, so actual running frequency is all that matters.

Typically, a 780 will clock higher than a 290. If both cards were at say 1000mhz, 290 would probably win - it's part of why the 2 archs are competitive, with nvidia clocking higher.


Brand for brand, i'd probably favor nvidia for 1080p, 290 for higher resolutions - it depends on price a lot, as in the UK we've had some deals like £299 tri-x 290 (best or one of best models) and some undercutting that further, while 780's stayed more expensive. In the US, it was the opposite, with 780's being as much as $150+ cheaper

when it comes down to feature sets, right now it's really: Do you play bf4 and want significantly higher than 60fps, such as sustaining 120? > 290 for Mantle heavily favored. The reason this is a thing: If you are GPU bound, like turning up settings for 1080p to keep fps low, or using a higher resolution etc - The function of Mantle is not to make one GPU better than the other. It is to vastly reduce CPU load - which has the primary effect of letting you increase your framerates, if you are not GPU bound for the settings that you are trying to run. You can get there by either "over-buying GPU" (say a 290 for 1080p with no aa) or by lowering graphics settings

Do you want to use NVENC (for low performance impact live encoding that blows everything else available out of the water)? > 780 for nvenc heavily favored


Gsync is not a big thing atm, for most people at least, nor is most other stuff
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I've used all sorts of ATi (AMD) cards throughout the years, going all the way back to 4870's, only once did I ever have a problem (used two bridges), and that was remedied quickly. Since then I've used 5850's, 5870's, 6870's, 6950's, 7770's, and some others I've surely forgotten about. They're great running cards.

And you also have to realize that AMD cards are overpriced right now due to bitcoin.

Yeah, I haven't had any issues with AMD either. There was a bit of microstutter when I had a 6990 but the GTX 590 was more-or-less the same in that regard, so I consider either camp to be roughly equivalent.

AMD prices are actually deflating back to normal-ish. Given the increased difficulty for the vast majority of altcoins making GPU mining currently barely profitable (if at all, depending on your electricity costs), miners are bailing by the boatload. Second-hand market prices are $300-400 for both the 290 and 290X, and retail prices are relatively close to the MSRPs (the 290 non-X seems to be commanding a bit more of a premium over its MSRP though).

This may change if the difficulty of coins adjusts over the next few weeks (i.e. prices might go back up).
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sapphire tri X or msi gaming, whichever you can get cheaper at the time. Definitely go for the 290 over a 780 since prices right now are plummeting.


@ the people derailing the thread into another amd vs nvidia driver warzone...some people get crossfire/sli issues, some dont, just because you had a good or a bad experience doesnt mean everyone had the same experience, so why even fight about it? you =\= everyone else.


edit - op youre staying with air cooling right? if you want to go water cooling, just get a reference card and throw the stock cooler in the trash can. If not, refer to my first part of the post.
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The 780 Classified still has my vote. thumb.gif
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