Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Again trouble with the mouse :) Da 2013 vs Mionix avior 7000 vs zowie ec2 evo?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Again trouble with the mouse :) Da 2013 vs Mionix avior 7000 vs zowie ec2 evo?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hello,

Got a DA 2013. What i like on it : the sensor and the build quality.
what i dislike : the size of it, got kinda small hands smile.gif and can't hold it proper in games. I use a palm grip .

What would u recommend from avior and zowie ?

From what i saw, zowie ec2 looks more like a small da , which i would like, but don't know about the performance of the sensor.
One more way 2 get rid of the DA, could trade it with a new, unbox Avior 7000 (don't know much about this mionix brand)
Could get used with the shape of avior , used xai for 2 years.

Any opinions about the 2 mices : shape, which is more accurate, comfort ?

thnx in advance!
post #2 of 10
i own all three mice and main my ec2 evo CL the most.
the only thing about the avior i like is the sensor and the build quality, i couldnt get used to the shape and i dont even use the mouse anymore. imo its to large for an ambidextrous mouse and the side buttons protrude too much, my ring finger constantly bumped the right side buttons.

the only reason i use the ec2 over the DA is because i wanted the DA's shape in a smaller size.

also im pretty sure im in the minority on this but i think the zowie 3090 steps are perfect (at least for me) and no drivers which is the best part. just plug in and go.

so my vote is for the ec2 evo. also i dont know if the non cl evo's come with the new lighter huanos but i prefer them over any of the omrons in my other mice. they are really nice. crisp and snappy clicks compared to the more mushy feeling omrons. they aren't heavy like in the FK (which i also own) or the older evo models.

good luck!
Edited by discoprince - 4/3/14 at 3:11pm
post #3 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by garfje View Post

Hello,

Got a DA 2013. What i like on it : the sensor and the build quality.
what i dislike : the size of it, got kinda small hands smile.gif and can't hold it proper in games. I use a palm grip .

What would u recommend from avior and zowie ?

From what i saw, zowie ec2 looks more like a small da , which i would like, but don't know about the performance of the sensor.
One more way 2 get rid of the DA, could trade it with a new, unbox Avior 7000 (don't know much about this mionix brand)
Could get used with the shape of avior , used xai for 2 years.

Any opinions about the 2 mices : shape, which is more accurate, comfort ?

thnx in advance!

I love the AVIOR, the side buttons don't bother me at all. That one has the best sensor of the bunch you mentioned, but for small hands it may or may not work for you. Since you don't want to keep the DA 2013 as is, you might as well try to trade for the AVIOR first and see if you like it before returning everything entirely and trying the Zowie. It has the "worst" sensor of the bunch but is still excellent, just it won't give you as much configuration since it is a very raw mouse with no software whatsoever.
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 10
I own the Deathadder 2013, Deathadder 3.5G and the Avior 7000. I also own the Zowie FK which uses the same sensor as the EC (although I can't comment on shape).

In terms of sensor, all of the mice have good optical sensors with no acceleration and high perfect control/malfunction speeds (i.e. at least 3m/s which is fine for the vast majority of people). Some users have reported innaccuracy and input lag caused by smoothing on the Deathadder 2013 and some lag with the 450 and 1150dpi steps in the Zowie. But these are only noticed by the absolute perfectionists and if you were happy with the Deathadder 2013 then you should be fine with any of the mice mentioned in terms of sensor.

In terms of shape, I can't comment on the Zowie EC (but from what I've read, discoprince's post seems about right). The Avior 7000 is great for palm grip. However it is quite a large mouse so if you didn't like the size of the Deathadder then you probably won't like it either.

Another mouse to consider would be the CM Storm Alcor which has a smaller, lighter ergonomic design. They're working on a version with the 3310 sensor which looks really interesting if they can implement it as well as Mionix did with the Avior 7000.

Hope that helps!
Edited by Necroblob - 4/3/14 at 4:39pm
post #5 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necroblob View Post

I own the Deathadder 2013, Deathadder 3.5G and the Avior 7000. I also own the Zowie FK which uses the same sensor as the EC (although I can't comment on shape).

In terms of sensor, all of the mice have good optical sensors with no acceleration and high perfect control/malfunction speeds (i.e. at least 3m/s which is fine for the vast majority of people). Some users have reported innaccuracy and input lag caused by smoothing on the Deathadder 2013 and some lag with the 450 and 1150dpi steps in the Zowie. But these are only noticed by the absolute perfectionists and if you were happy with the Deathadder 2013 then you should be fine with any of the mice mentioned in terms of sensor.

In terms of shape, I can't comment on the Zowie EC (but from what I've read, discoprince's post seems about right). The Avior 7000 is great for palm grip. However it is quite a large mouse so if you didn't like the size of the Deathadder then you probably won't like it either.

Another mouse to consider would be the CM Storm Alcor which has a smaller, lighter ambidextrous design. They're working on a version with the 3310 sensor which looks really interesting if they can implement it as well as Mionix did with the Avior 7000.

Hope that helps!

AVIOR works great for me with fingertip, it's a little smaller in that it is both shorter by a bit and noticeably less tall than the 3.5G of which I have a couple shells floating around.
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by metal571 View Post

AVIOR works great for me with fingertip, it's a little smaller in that it is both shorter by a bit and noticeably less tall than the 3.5G of which I have a couple shells floating around.

It's certainly still a big mouse! But I don't have either mouse in front of me so I'll take what you say. Another thing to mention is that for me the '\/' shape at the front makes it easier to grip than the Deathadder.
post #7 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necroblob View Post

It's certainly still a big mouse! But I don't have either mouse in front of me so I'll take what you say. Another thing to mention is that for me the '\/' shape at the front makes it easier to grip than the Deathadder.

I love the V shape in the front too. Makes lifting the most painless of any mouse I've ever owned, and with my sensitivity I lift all the time, constantly, as I play.
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
L1m1t
(22 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500K @ 4.5 GHz ASUS P8Z68-V LX ASUS DirectCU II GTX 770 OC Patriot G2 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Black Kingston SSDNow Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 8.1 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE SteelSeries 6Gv2 MX Red Corsair TX650 NZXT Source 210 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK1 Puretrak Talent ASUS Xonar DG Sennheiser PC350 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Fatal1ty HS-800 Shure SRH440 Audio Technica ATH-M40x AKG K701 
AudioAudio
beyerdynamic DT770 AKG K550 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 10
the zowie ec2 mice and the avior 7000 have great sensors. Neither is clearly better then the other. Both are very good in most regards. The main advantage of an avior 7,000 sensor over the ec2 evo is a faster perfect constrol speed. The ec2 evo's is just over 4 meters per second; the avior 7000 is a little over 5 meters per second. But if you don't have an insanely low sensitivity, you're not going to reach either of those numbers like ever and the higher perfect control speed won't effect you at all. The main advantage of the ec2 sensor over the avior 7000 sensor is lower smoothing or lag. The lag difference is so small most people don't notice it, and less lag doesn't matter to those people, then this advantage doesn't matter. But you don't need to even notice the difference in speed for less lag to help you. If you aim a couple milliseconds faster, you don't need to notice that its faster then before for you to get that shot off a second milliseconds quicker, and the game will register a difference and that difference can certainly matter whether you notice it or not.

the zowie ec2 is also substantially lighter then the avior.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
WoW , thnx for the advices

Guess i will try the avior in a store and see what it feels like (like the look on it more than zowie)
If the sensor are alright on both mices , than it remains only the shape thing. i do like alot the shape of DA, but it's 2 tall for me.

Thnx again for the answers!
post #10 of 10
Good choice. If you like the shape and weight then it's an absolutely quality product.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Again trouble with the mouse :) Da 2013 vs Mionix avior 7000 vs zowie ec2 evo?