Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [Techcrunch] Google looking to enter the wireless carrier world
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Techcrunch] Google looking to enter the wireless carrier world - Page 3

post #21 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by switchback77 View Post

Well google has thrived on jumping in on markets which people are fed up with the current offerings. First search engine, then email, now internet service. It wouldn't be that hard to think google is seriously thinking about building their own cell network. All the gripe and complaining that is done about the current ISPs, what with net neutrality and stuff....

It would be extremely difficult for them to do it, and here is why.....

The FCC has a death grip on our Wireless Spectrum, they say who and what can operate where and how in it. The "available" RF spectrum in our country is essentially 100%+ used, we have far more demand than capacity. More data is trying to travel over RF than there is spectrum in use.

What does that mean?

There isn't anywhere for Google to deploy a network. In order for them to deploy a network they would have to get the FCC to change the laws that govern the industry, and have the FCC open up more spectrum to use in wireless communication. Which is something Google, Microsoft, and many others have been trying to get the FCC to do for many years, and without much luck.

Now, there is plenty of spectrum that is open in this country and that could easily be used for the purpose. The FCC just isn't letting anyone use it, and thus why it isn't "available".

Which I can guarantee is part of the reason why Google was looking at using existing networks, because they really can't build their own right now.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 41
I thought they were gonna do this with the balloons.
Intel Killer
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 8320 4.4ghz Gigabyte 990fx XFX R9 290 (1100/1250) 8GB DDR3 1866 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
750GB Momentus XT Corsair H80i Windows 8 3x 23" 1080p 
KeyboardPower
Logitech Mk 710 OCZ 1000 watts 
  hide details  
Reply
Intel Killer
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD 8320 4.4ghz Gigabyte 990fx XFX R9 290 (1100/1250) 8GB DDR3 1866 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
750GB Momentus XT Corsair H80i Windows 8 3x 23" 1080p 
KeyboardPower
Logitech Mk 710 OCZ 1000 watts 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by bencher View Post

I thought they were gonna do this with the balloons.

I wouldn't want to be the guy that has to sit there and blow all those up. My kids birthday parties are enough work on the lips!
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 41
Please for the love of god come to Canada this is BS over here frown.gif
post #25 of 41
I wonder if they will carry Windows phones.
post #26 of 41
I know it's wishful thinking, but can someone launch a service where the consumer makes a small return for providing boatloads of personal data that is sold off anyway? Why should Google reap all of the benefits?
post #27 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

The problem with those statements coming out is that it would require Google to build an entirely new network on their own, with new equipment that really isn't even out yet. There isn't a current provider that has that kind of capacity.

Yes and No. Do you think Sprint owns all of the fiber that links all of their cell towers together? Do you think that a tower has antennas for Sprint only? Do you think Sprint can use their existing radios when they upgrade to 5G? This isnt the big issue, below is the big issue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

It would be extremely difficult for them to do it, and here is why.....

The FCC has a death grip on our Wireless Spectrum, they say who and what can operate where and how in it. The "available" RF spectrum in our country is essentially 100%+ used, we have far more demand than capacity. More data is trying to travel over RF than there is spectrum in use.

What does that mean?

There isn't anywhere for Google to deploy a network. In order for them to deploy a network they would have to get the FCC to change the laws that govern the industry, and have the FCC open up more spectrum to use in wireless communication. Which is something Google, Microsoft, and many others have been trying to get the FCC to do for many years, and without much luck.

Now, there is plenty of spectrum that is open in this country and that could easily be used for the purpose. The FCC just isn't letting anyone use it, and thus why it isn't "available".

Which I can guarantee is part of the reason why Google was looking at using existing networks, because they really can't build their own right now.

Exactly. This was one occurrence. This is the current wireless spectrum chart. Keep in mind, this is for the US. Every country\region will have one of these. Some parts will align, some are just offset, and some new. Google needs a slice of this in order for them to setup their own cell service. Since everything has already been divvied up, google needs to buy a slice of the pie from someone in order for them to even attempt. Another thing to note is that not any slice will work. The lower the frequency the further it will travel. There are also some crazy other random properties that come up within each subsection too.

I believe that Google can do it. Might take them 10 years to get a spectrum, but once they do, they will take over. While google is crazy large and knows just about everything there is to know about me, some of their stuff is pretty useful. Not to mention, them being in the ISP world is causing others to change. They will shake things up.
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
Reply
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrzev View Post

Yes and No. Do you think Sprint owns all of the fiber that links all of their cell towers together? Do you think that a tower has antennas for Sprint only? Do you think Sprint can use their existing radios when they upgrade to 5G? This isnt the big issue, below is the big issue.

The majority of your towers aren't fed via Fiber runs, they use wireless back-hauls to communicate, and only on occasion is Fiber ran directly to the towers themselves. Additionally, many of your larger providers do have their own towers and do not let their competitors equipment hang on them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrzev View Post

Exactly. This was one occurrence. This is the current wireless spectrum chart. Keep in mind, this is for the US. Every country\region will have one of these. Some parts will align, some are just offset, and some new. Google needs a slice of this in order for them to setup their own cell service. Since everything has already been divvied up, google needs to buy a slice of the pie from someone in order for them to even attempt. Another thing to note is that not any slice will work. The lower the frequency the further it will travel. There are also some crazy other random properties that come up within each subsection too.

I believe that Google can do it. Might take them 10 years to get a spectrum, but once they do, they will take over. While google is crazy large and knows just about everything there is to know about me, some of their stuff is pretty useful. Not to mention, them being in the ISP world is causing others to change. They will shake things up.

First major problem; your chart is from 2003 and extremely dated. Major changes have happen in the wireless industry, and the spectrum has shifted greatly in the last 11 years. Mainly in that a large portion of it has been freed up; much in the 49Mhz to 1,000Mhz range has been opened.

The problem is the FCC isn't allowing the spectrum to be used, especially out in rural areas. Additionally we have technology that can now yield to higher priority communications on a needs based system. In other words, if I were to operate in spectrum that is also being used by another, but higher priority broadcast, it is possible for my equipment to yield to the other broadcast, and not interfere with it.

There also isn't any provider in their right mind that would sell their spectrum to Google, so that Google can compete with them. The current providers are already trying to purchase more spectrum, due to reaching capacities with what they currently have.
Edited by PostalTwinkie - 4/4/14 at 10:10am
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 5820K AsRock Extreme6 X99 Gigabyte GTX 980 Ti Windforce OC 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB - HDD Speed Edtition Samsung SM951 512 GB - I still hate Samsung!  Noctua NHD14 Windows 10 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Achieva Shimian QH270-Lite Overlord Computer Tempest X27OC  Acer Predator XB270HU Filco Majestouch 2 Ninja 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X-1250 Fractal Design R5 Razer Naga Razer Goliathus Alpha 
AudioAudio
AKG K702 65th Anniversary Edition Creative Sound Blaster Zx 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 41
They want to rule the world in about 100 or so years....
Z'Gok
(14 items)
 
Lord Lycan
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6700 @ 3.2GHz GIGABYTE EP45-UD3L Sapphire 5770 Juniper XT G.Skill 2x2gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital 160GB Hitachi 250 GB Barracuda 1TB Sony Optiarc 24X Windows 7 Ultimate Acer H203H 
PowerCase
Silencer 750 Cooler Master Storm Scout 
  hide details  
Reply
Z'Gok
(14 items)
 
Lord Lycan
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6700 @ 3.2GHz GIGABYTE EP45-UD3L Sapphire 5770 Juniper XT G.Skill 2x2gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Western Digital 160GB Hitachi 250 GB Barracuda 1TB Sony Optiarc 24X Windows 7 Ultimate Acer H203H 
PowerCase
Silencer 750 Cooler Master Storm Scout 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

The majority of your towers aren't fed via Fiber runs, they use wireless back-hauls to communicate, and only on occasion is Fiber ran directly to the towers themselves. Additionally, many of your larger providers do have their own towers and do not let their competitors equipment hang on them.
First major problem; your chart is from 2003 and extremely dated. Major changes have happen in the wireless industry, and the spectrum has shifted greatly in the last 11 years. Mainly in that a large portion of it has been freed up; much in the 49Mhz to 1,000Mhz range has been opened.

The problem is the FCC isn't allowing the spectrum to be used, especially out in rural areas. Additionally we have technology that can now yield to higher priority communications on a needs based system. In other words, if I were to operate in spectrum that is also being used by another, but higher priority broadcast, it is possible for my equipment to yield to the other broadcast, and not interfere with it.

There also isn't any provider in their right mind that would sell their spectrum to Google, so that Google can compete with them. The current providers are already trying to purchase more spectrum, due to reaching capacities with what they currently have.

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/spectrum_wall_chart_aug2011.pdf 2011 edition! Still virtually the same thing. My point was that, they need to buy it from someone. And i agree, Sprint or whatever will not sell them the rights to their spectrum, but Google may buy Sprint or whatever company just for those rights (probably t-mobile if anything). At the same time, the spectrums that are free, google could then purchase them from the fcc. As for the towers, it all depends. If they are strapping them on a water tower, then its fair game. On top of a building, depends on the owners. I think if google were to do this, they would mainly just target cities and then just setup a roaming agreement for the rural areas. All in all, we can all agree, that this field is has some serious entry barriers. They can make software, hardware, SaaS , even be an ISP, where they can run their own fiber if they want .... but with wireless spectrum, that's a limited commodity. They cant make their own spectrum.
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
Reply
Zev's Comp
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDM... GeForce GTX 750 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DrivePower
1TB HDD 64GB SSD (Used for SRT) 500 GB. Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V... 
Case
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black S... 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [Techcrunch] Google looking to enter the wireless carrier world