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So I'm going to attempt my first water cooling build mid month. It will be cooling an i5 4670k and a single Reference Gigabyte 780TI on a ASUS Maximus Formula IV motherboard which will be in a Corsair 900D, both of which I plan on overclocking both. And before I lay down the money on this, I wanted to get some input, as well as answer some questions I had

I saw these items grouped and it seems like a good kit.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/23379/ex-wat-300/XSPC_Raystorm_RX480_V3_Extreme_Universal_CPU_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_D5_Photon_and_Free_Dead-Water.html?tl=g59c683s2176

The reason I'm getting the 900D is that I don't plan on moving this monster out of my house once it's done, and I do want ample room to work in, as well as room for upgradability. A lot of people like the D5 pump, however, down the line I may want to add a second 480 Radiator and/or second 780TI. Would the pump be good enough to flow liquid throughout all those components if I decide to do 1 or both of those upgrades, or should I look into a dual loop setup at that point?

The second question is in regards to the GPU Block. I'm leaning towards these two
EK780ti block - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22130/ex-blc-1581/EK_GeForce_780_GTX_Ti_VGA_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Nickel_Acetal_EK-FC780_GTX_Ti_-_AcetalNickel.html?tl=g30c311s1996

And the XSPC 780TI block - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22286/ex-blc-1592/XSPC_Razor_GTX_Titan_780_780_Ti_Full_Coverage_VGA_Block_-_Reference_Design.html?tl=g59c661s2133

A lot of people like the EK Water Block for this, however the kit is copper based (The water Block is copper with the Acetal top), and the EK Water Block is Nickel and Acetal. I know people are iffy about mixing the materials in that manner, while others are saying that it wouldn't matter (It's also a reason why I'm hesitant using the block pre built on the motherboard, which is aluminum). Am I being too paranoid and should I lean with the EK block, or go with the XSPC block?

Also because I have a feeling it will be asked, I'll be using this fluid in the build:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16703/ex-liq-218/XSPC_EC6_High_Performance_Liquid_Cooling_Premix_Coolant_-_1L_-_Clear_.html?tl=g59c663s1714

Thank you everybody for dealing with my wall of text tongue.gif And thanks again for your input.
Edited by Cyn - 4/3/14 at 3:35pm
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The XSPC kits are always a good bang for the buck but they are just basic kits. kinda like a start point for the average. when picking a full cover gpu block, you have to make sure your card is a reference card, if not your only choice is to go with a universal block (use the ek gpu config). It doesn't matter if u mix copper and nickle metals as long as there aren't any aluminum, because your fluid will have an anti corrosion. i would go for a high quality fluid like the mayhem x1.
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The XSPC kits are always a good bang for the buck but they are just basic kits. kinda like a start point for the average. when picking a full cover gpu block, you have to make sure your card is a reference card, if not your only choice is to go with a universal block (use the ek gpu config). It doesn't matter if u mix copper and nickle metals as long as there aren't any aluminum, because your fluid will have an anti corrosion. i would go for a high quality fluid like the mayhem x1.

Thanks for the reply ^^ +rep. Seems that I was right in not wanting to use the built in Water Block then for the motherboard since it's aluminum. I got the Gigabyte reference card (Thankfully when it was on sale for $599), so I guess either one of those blocks I linked above would due, and I could lean now towards the EK block.

Do you think I would be better picking my own parts seperately, or going with the kit then? (If I went seperate, would probably go Alphacool XT45 480 Rads x 2 with a D5 pump, same CPU block in the kit).
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Well there's no right or wrong answer to that. It's more of a question of how much wallet fat your willing to part with. Custom loops will give you exactly what you want but the cost will sky rocket as well. With the kit its a cheap start point while still giving you an option to add to it later on. Are you going to do any insane over clocking?
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The build in waterblock on the RoG gear is fine. Aluminum is a huge no no in PC liquid cooling because it will react with copper, and rapidly corrode, relatively speaking of course. The aluminum in those blocks is anodized: the anodized surfaces prevents the aluminum from reacting with the water. Anodized aluminum is not the best thermal transfer solution, but then again your motherboard isn't generating much heat so it's not a huge issue.

The XSPC kits are really nice, especially since the kit your looking at is the one with the D5 pump. Normally the issue with kits is they give you a subpar pump, which is fine if you're just using the kit but most people end up adding on so they end up needing to upgrade the pump. The laing D5 pump will be more than enough to handle that kit, the motherboard waterblock, a GPU waterblock, and a additional radiator.

It all looks pretty solid. Like hell167 was saying, be sure your graphics card is a reference card or else full coverage waterblocks won't fit, and you'll be forced to go with a universal block with vrm/vram waterblocks and a fan near the expansion slots.
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The build in waterblock on the RoG gear is fine. Aluminum is a huge no no in PC liquid cooling because it will react with copper, and rapidly corrode, relatively speaking of course. The aluminum in those blocks is anodized: the anodized surfaces prevents the aluminum from reacting with the water. Anodized aluminum is not the best thermal transfer solution, but then again your motherboard isn't generating much heat so it's not a huge issue.

The XSPC kits are really nice, especially since the kit your looking at is the one with the D5 pump. Normally the issue with kits is they give you a subpar pump, which is fine if you're just using the kit but most people end up adding on so they end up needing to upgrade the pump. The laing D5 pump will be more than enough to handle that kit, the motherboard waterblock, a GPU waterblock, and a additional radiator.

It all looks pretty solid. Like hell167 was saying, be sure your graphics card is a reference card or else full coverage waterblocks won't fit, and you'll be forced to go with a universal block with vrm/vram waterblocks and a fan near the expansion slots.

EK and many other have full cover water blocks for the popular GPU's that are non reference. EK's cooling configuration site should walk you through the process.

Read the manufacturers warranty page, many warranties are void if you use a silver coil (silver can react to nickle plating) or non approved fluid. Distilled h2o with a biocide is the most trouble free fluid IMHO.

The D5 should give a 2 block loop 1+gpm, more rad=lower fan speeds.
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EK and many other have full cover water blocks for the popular GPU's that are non reference. EK's cooling configuration site should walk you through the process.

Read the manufacturers warranty page, many warranties are void if you use a silver coil (silver can react to nickle plating) or non approved fluid. Distilled h2o with a biocide is the most trouble free fluid IMHO.

The D5 should give a 2 block loop 1+gpm, more rad=lower fan speeds.

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Originally Posted by ZytheEKS View Post

The build in waterblock on the RoG gear is fine. Aluminum is a huge no no in PC liquid cooling because it will react with copper, and rapidly corrode, relatively speaking of course. The aluminum in those blocks is anodized: the anodized surfaces prevents the aluminum from reacting with the water. Anodized aluminum is not the best thermal transfer solution, but then again your motherboard isn't generating much heat so it's not a huge issue.

The XSPC kits are really nice, especially since the kit your looking at is the one with the D5 pump. Normally the issue with kits is they give you a subpar pump, which is fine if you're just using the kit but most people end up adding on so they end up needing to upgrade the pump. The laing D5 pump will be more than enough to handle that kit, the motherboard waterblock, a GPU waterblock, and a additional radiator.

It all looks pretty solid. Like hell167 was saying, be sure your graphics card is a reference card or else full coverage waterblocks won't fit, and you'll be forced to go with a universal block with vrm/vram waterblocks and a fan near the expansion slots.

The card I purchased appeared to be a reference design. I did take both of your words seriously though (and also who can really afford to waste money? tongue.gif ), and did check EK's website configurator to verify it, and it is indeed a reference design. So any of the two GPU blocks should work in this case. I guess at this stage, the kit is definitely a good buy, all I have to do is decide if I want to get the extra radiator or not, and choose whether I go for the EK or XSPC block.

Guys, thanks again for your help. No telling how many first timers to water cooling took the push thanks to the help you get here, and I really appreciate the help. Rep+
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The card I purchased appeared to be a reference design. I did take both of your words seriously though (and also who can really afford to waste money? tongue.gif ), and did check EK's website configurator to verify it, and it is indeed a reference design. So any of the two GPU blocks should work in this case. I guess at this stage, the kit is definitely a good buy, all I have to do is decide if I want to get the extra radiator or not, and choose whether I go for the EK or XSPC block.

Guys, thanks again for your help. No telling how many first timers to water cooling took the push thanks to the help you get here, and I really appreciate the help. Rep+

Check this out: http://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/10/03/nvidia-gtx780titan-water-block-roundup/

Stren does good work with his reviews. These should scale pretty well with the ti temps.
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