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Joke aside, the solar charging in the screen of a Cellphone is silly:

It is in our pocket or a cover most the time, or the screen is facing away from the sun to be legible, or we want to be able to hold it - leave it in the sun for a few minutes, metal reaches 70oC or so, that's it - not comfortable to hold! So the very limited energy this tiny panel could produce 24/7 (or 12/7, during the day), its applied schedule will be so heavily intermittent that it is not even funny.

But it remains a great conversation piece for those that want a unique device thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by MR_Plow View Post

Whatever happened to the idea of kinetic charging? I'm sure there would have to be crazy strides in efficiency of energy transfer, but I always thought that was kinda cool. Take a walk to recharge your phone. Or maybe just the concept that I can physically do something to help recharge my phone. Not that I feel helpless without my phone, but I like to feel like there's something I can do when something bad happens.

Lets see:

1 Wh = 859 calories

Average Cellphone battery: 3.7V * 2 Ah= 7.4Wh * 859 Cal/Wh = ~6,350 cal.

Average adult metabolizes 1800-2500 calories a day.
The vast majority of it, is just heat - nothing to do with kinetic energy output which is far less.

So if anything, we need a heat recapturing device and not a kinetic energy recapturing device. But even if it we could, we simply cannot keep up with a smartphone that under heavy load consumes in a handful of hours what can be re-captured from our bodies over multiple days.

So, maybe we need cellphones recharging humans?
Capitalism would love it, and "employers" could afford more TAG cellphones to show-off. tongue.gif
Edited by pcfoo - 4/6/14 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by pcfoo View Post

Joke aside, the solar charging in the screen of a Cellphone is silly:

It is in our pocket or a cover most the time, or the screen is facing away from the sun to be legible, or we want to be able to hold it - leave it in the sun for a few minutes, metal reaches 70oC or so, that's it - not comfortable to hold! So the very limited energy this tiny panel could produce 24/7 (or 12/7, during the day), its applied schedule will be so heavily intermittent that it is not even funny.

But it remains a great conversation piece for those that want a unique device thumb.gif
Lets see:

1 Wh = 859 calories

Average Cellphone battery: 3.7V * 2 Ah= 7.4Wh * 859 Cal/Wh = ~6,350 cal.

Average adult metabolizes 1800-2500 calories a day.
The vast majority of it, is just heat - nothing to do with kinetic energy output which is far less.

So if anything, we need a heat recapturing device and not a kinetic energy recapturing device. But even if it we could, we simply cannot keep up with a smartphone that under heavy load consumes in a handful of hours what can be re-captured from our bodies over multiple days.

So, maybe we need cellphones recharging humans?
Capitalism would love it, and "employers" could afford more TAG cellphones to show-off. tongue.gif

Wait are those calories or Calories that you're using in your calculation? 1 Calorie= 1 kilocalorie after all.
Also, if you think someone only has the calories they take in each day to work with you may not have seen the US much lately hahaha
You also jumped a little ahead of what I was (or meant to be) getting at. I'm sure it would still take an inordinant about of work to do so, but I was really just thinking of being able to charge the phone for "emergency use" when you just need a little more power (like if it had just died). Relying solely on the kinetic charging would probably lead to ruin. Though in theory I suppose if we could get things like driving on bumpy roads or something to charge that may help a miniscule amount as well.

That being said, heat may be a more abundant type of energy coming from a human and I definitely would believe the size and weight problems with kinetic charging. I just don't want to see any tiny turbines whirring along the back of my phone tongue.gif
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Wait are those calories or Calories that you're using in your calculation? 1 Calorie= 1 kilocalorie after all.
Also, if you think someone only has the calories they take in each day to work with you may not have seen the US much lately hahaha
You also jumped a little ahead of what I was (or meant to be) getting at. I'm sure it would still take an inordinant about of work to do so, but I was really just thinking of being able to charge the phone for "emergency use" when you just need a little more power (like if it had just died). Relying solely on the kinetic charging would probably lead to ruin. Though in theory I suppose if we could get things like driving on bumpy roads or something to charge that may help a miniscule amount as well.

That being said, heat may be a more abundant type of energy coming from a human and I definitely would believe the size and weight problems with kinetic charging. I just don't want to see any tiny turbines whirring along the back of my phone tongue.gif

Yeah, you are right, those were small calories.
Still, the % of those big calories we actually use for motion is very small, so...i don't know.

Eventually we might be able to do "more" with those, as devices will be far more efficient and perhaps the network much tighter (GSM 130000000 , 8G etc tongue.gif).

Charging phones on bikes with moding headlight generators has been around some time...
When driving around to charge the phone is probably better to add a car charger than a "perpetual motion" generator or embed a PV.

But, again, as this thread grows, it is easy to see that this TAG phone is a great conversation piece, even if its PV implementation is a gimmick biggrin.gif
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Wow @ all the hate.

I don't think Tag are trying to compete with Samsung and Apple here guys. They are taking Ferraris approach. Unique and quality. You don't need 600hp with a $300k price tag to get from A to B do ya. I think it looks nice.

No... when you buy a Ferrari, you are paying for the quality. The craftsmen ship, the engine etc etc. You are also getting the same capabilites that a normal car can do + everything that makes an exotic sports car worth the money.

This is just a phone. A piece of technology that will be outdated within a year. No one cares if it's solar panel or not. I understand the comparison you're trying to make but I wouldn't even call this a luxury phone. With an old layout (which is by no means bad) and 240p screen... what are you paying for? Bragging rights to say you have a phone that can charge it self? No one cares. Leave your black cellphone out in the sun for 6 hours to charge. Oh yea great idea!
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Can't wait until cold fusion comes to cell phones.
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Wow @ all the hate.

I don't think Tag are trying to compete with Samsung and Apple here guys. They are taking Ferraris approach. Unique and quality. You don't need 600hp with a $300k price tag to get from A to B do ya. I think it looks nice.

Not really. It would be more akin to paying for a gold-plated 2005 Prius.

This phone has a dated design, is weaker than all modern smartphones, has less features.... but is solar....
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Not really. It would be more akin to paying for a gold-plated 2005 Prius.

This phone has a dated design, is weaker than all modern smartphones, has less features.... but is solar....

How many multi-millionaire Hollywood stars drive a Prius when they could (and probably do) own lots of "better" cars?
Do they really care about their carbon footprint so much? Is it publicity? Is it a message for their followers?
Who knows...for sure tho, some of those, can afford and will get this phone.

We don't see gold plated Priuses (Priora) that often, but if there was one, it should be in some of the Emirats...probably a good place to see some TAG phones too.

I don't see why a rinse and repeat $700 iphone or galaxy is not as superfluous as this $7000 phone...imho it is MORE superfluous if you consider the phone cost / annual income ratio of an iphone, to the equivalent ratio of the average buyer's for this TAG.

Lets not hide behind our finger, and don't try to rationalize it.
It is not pure logic that drives us buy a $700 device, ofc it won't be for those buying the $7K one.

And if you find it provocative someone buying a gimmick phone for more than your car, consider for a moment how many millions - if not billions - of people on this planet would amass less fortune in their life than those $700. Lets not hide behind our finger, lets don't pretend to be any better.

We are just not those that would buy that TAG. We were never meant to be really.
Just like that Gold plated "anything" with 4-wheels.
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solar panels on a phone is so pointless when they dont get exposed to the sun often.

huge majority of the time they stay in a pocket if not out there plugged in a USB port for charging

also 2.4" crappy screen lol.... we are no longer living 10 years back with brick nokias but with that said i could easily turn a nokia into a perpetual solar phone by slapping a tiny solar cell at the back of it. those things have amazing battery life

this would have made more sense if it had a kinetic charger
Edited by akromatic - 4/7/14 at 1:31am
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you will be driving with your watch arm hanging out the window with one arm tanned more - crikey, its bad enough eyeballing a normal phone let alone these stamp sized gadgets biggrin.gif
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I'd love to see what the actual per cost of this device is. Materials, R&D, Marketing. Shipping and any other costs involved.

Guarantee there is a metric f%@#-ton of margin in these devices.

But, I suppose it's the old; sell for a lot to fewer people, then sell for less to more people. It's all image. Sometimes things are expensive because they physically cost a lot in materials, workmanship and research. Other times, things just cost a lot to separate people from their money.
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