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saying prodigy is "only a little bigger" then the RVZ01 is like saying a semi truck is "only a little bigger" then a minivan biggrin.gif
woops I meant phenom. And I've built in a prodigy, a very nice case. High quality, sturdy, and quite cheap. That raven looks like you would have heat problems for days.
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woops I meant phenom. And I've built in a prodigy, a very nice case. High quality, sturdy, and quite cheap. That raven looks like you would have heat problems for days.

rvz01 = 382mm x 105mm x 350mm
phenom = 250mm x 330mm x 374mm

uhm... still no biggrin.gif considering phenom is 3 times the width as the rvz01...

the phenom has more then twice the internal volume as the RVZ01 smile.gif
Edited by psyclum - 4/6/14 at 12:27pm
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I have a Silverstone Sugo-05 with a 450w included PSU. It has a Micro ITX motherboard with an Ivy Bridge i5, 2x8GB RAM, a 7870 GPU, a 128GB SSD, and a 2TB HDD for storage. Cooling is provided by a stock Intel cooler from an i7 with front intake air provided by a Noctua 120mm fan on a speed reducer. OS is Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. There is a slim DVD burner in the front, although I don't use it that much. There is room for additional SSDs.

I use this as a gaming machine sitting next to my main Linux tower. The CPU stays under 60C during the most intense games, although the fans do spin up during a gaming session. Normal temps are in the 40s; high for me, but acceptable. Running hard, noise and temps are okay, although I do game with a headset. The combination stays in the 60fps region, depending on the game. The Silverstone provides plenty of air for the GPU, so it runs fine as well.

Unless you need more storage, I would not get a bigger case than the SG05. If you get the SG05 with included PSU, the cables are shorter, although you can save a few bucks getting the Silverstone SFX separately. I am happy with the included PSU.

I would not try to drop in an H-80 or equivalent for a couple of reasons. First, ITX cases are always tight, and this is no exception. Second, unless you are going to overclock an i7, then you won't need the extra cooling. One of the 92mm Noctua low profile coolers would be nice, however.

When I build an ITX rig, I want to make it small. That is why I don't like the Prodigy or its family members. I previously had this PC in a Lian Li case, and that was pretty, but hot and loud. The SG05 is a really good balance, IMHO.

If I was going to do this again, I might take a look at the 250D, which looks llke it has all the best features of the Sugo, the Coolermaster, and the Prodigy without their flaws. The benefits I would get from the 250D are a full-size PSU (not all crammed in like on the Prodigy) and full dust filtering. Of those two, dust filtering is the thing I miss most on the Sugo.

Anyhow, for an ITX gaming rig up to an i5, the Silverstone SG05 gets two thumbs up from me!

- samwisekoi
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Unless you need more storage, I would not get a bigger case than the SG05. If you get the SG05 with included PSU, the cables are shorter, although you can save a few bucks getting the Silverstone SFX separately. I am happy with the included PSU.

I would not try to drop in an H-80 or equivalent for a couple of reasons. First, ITX cases are always tight, and this is no exception. Second, unless you are going to overclock an i7, then you won't need the extra cooling. One of the 92mm Noctua low profile coolers would be nice, however.

When I build an ITX rig, I want to make it small. That is why I don't like the Prodigy or its family members. I previously had this PC in a Lian Li case, and that was pretty, but hot and loud. The SG05 is a really good balance, IMHO.

If I was going to do this again, I might take a look at the 250D, which looks llke it has all the best features of the Sugo, the Coolermaster, and the Prodigy without their flaws. The benefits I would get from the 250D are a full-size PSU (not all crammed in like on the Prodigy) and full dust filtering. Of those two, dust filtering is the thing I miss most on the Sugo.

Anyhow, for an ITX gaming rig up to an i5, the Silverstone SG05 gets two thumbs up from me!

- samwisekoi
Thanks for the comments. It is interesting that you recommend air cooling. Which aftermarket would be good? The used cpu I was going to buy, the seller is not replying right to my emails right now. I even had the idea of getting the i5-4570S which would be even less heat/power. It gets good reviews on newegg and buyers often say they are using it in an itx and/or htpc.

I think I'm switching gears and considering the Sugo SG05 vs Corsair 250D. But, the 250D is a bit large, isn't it? The depth is quite large for an itx box? The Raven is the size I like but I worry about establishing enough cooling. It is cramped, imho and the cable management doesn't look good even if you have a SFX and short modular cables.

I use Linux and Windows 7 and plan on using two SSD with each OS on one. I'll ask for recommendations on those eventually. smile.gif The Crucial M500 240GB is about $110 so that's pretty good. I just had a Seagate 7200.12 1TB not being used so I thought it was a good candidate for a dual boot. It's a bit fast (7200) to be used as a storage drive in an enclosure, isn't it? Oh well. Some things to ponder.

'When I build an ITX rig, I want to make it small. That is why I don't like the Prodigy or its family members. I previously had this PC in a Lian Li case, and that was pretty, but hot and loud.'
That's exatcly my sentiments. But, with small, it is difficult to avoid the trade-off of cooling challenges and maybe potential added noise as one tries to cool the cramped area inside?
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post #25 of 42
compared to my past bitfenix adventures for me 250d now is very small. Case is top quality itself and i recommend it to everyone that's thinking on itx bulid. it fits all you need, superb cooling, superb graph, dvd rom. what you need more? it got also plexiglass on top so you can see there your mobo which is a nice touch if you are going to get some leds inside.
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That's exatcly my sentiments. But, with small, it is difficult to avoid the trade-off of cooling challenges and maybe potential added noise as one tries to cool the cramped area inside?

this is precisely why i prefer the SG08 over other SFF cases biggrin.gif the size sacrifice is more then worth it for the acoustic tradeoff you get. with the SG08 you can use a fairly beefy air cooler so you wouldn't have to spin the fans at a very loud rate. and the bonus from the SG08 is that it's also one of the best GPU cooling configuration you can get in ANY case. with the 180mm AP181 blowing directly down on both the CPU AND GPU coolers, it will also keep your GPU fan noise lower since it's getting supplemental cooling from the AP181.

I'm not saying the SG08 is quiet... in fact the AP181 is one of the loudest fans you can use biggrin.gif but the noise is bearable considering it will reduce the amount of noise from other parts of the system like your GPU fan which can easily be louder then anything else your system would put out. general acoustic limits for the AP181, 400-500RPM, near silent. you wont hear it unless you are listening for it. 500-700RPM noticeable, but bearable noise level that you can ignore easily. 700+RPM is definitely noticeable. the default AP181 has a switch between the low setting of 700RPM and high setting of 1200RPM. you want to leave the switch on high then have your mobo controlling the AP181 on one of the chassis headers so it can spin down to 400 to 500RPM range when idle. you CAN leave the switch on low and it wont spin pass 700RPM even with the mobo control, however it would also limit the amount of cooling it can deliver when your system really needs it. also if you use a powerful low profile cooler such as a NH-C14 or something similar, you might be able to run the cooler itself fanless and just let the AP181 do the cooling. but, it wont support high OC if you do it that way.

here is a pic with the NH-C12. and i'm told the NH-C14 fits as well


Edited by psyclum - 4/6/14 at 6:49pm
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Thanks for the comments. It is interesting that you recommend air cooling. Which aftermarket would be good? The used cpu I was going to buy, the seller is not replying right to my emails right now. I even had the idea of getting the i5-4570S which would be even less heat/power. It gets good reviews on newegg and buyers often say they are using it in an itx and/or htpc.

In fact, I am using the Ivy Bridge version of that CPU to keep heat and power down. I wouldn't want to be rendering on it, but gaming and everything else has been great!

I used a stock cooler from an i7, but if I was going to go after-market, I'd get a Noctua NH-L9i, currently $47.99 at NewEgg. I have not used that cooler myself, but the form factor and user ratings look great.

Glad I could help!

- samwisekoi

p.s. If you get the Sugo, also get a small piece of black electrical tape. For some reason Silverstone thought it would be fun to put a bright blue floodlight on the front of the case. At night, it literally lights up the room. Or did until I used the Click-and-Clack method of idiot light repair -- electrical tape!
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btw, you may want to visit the small form factor side of the forum. it's fairly active with alot of people with good advice

http://www.overclock.net/f/50/small-form-factor-systems

it's where i'm stealing all these photos i'm posting in this thread biggrin.gif
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while NCase M1 is a well designed case, it does have some flaws. I do not like the idea that it has no air filters so i never really got interested in it.
It comes with air filters, actually. They're just not magnetic/toolless. If that's what you want, Demciflex offers a set of magnetic filters custom made for the M1.
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I have a Silverstone Sugo-05 with a 450w included PSU. It has a Micro ITX motherboard with an Ivy Bridge i5, 2x8GB RAM, a 7870 GPU, a 128GB SSD, and a 2TB HDD for storage. Cooling is provided by a stock Intel cooler from an i7 with front intake air provided by a Noctua 120mm fan on a speed reducer. OS is Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. There is a slim DVD burner in the front, although I don't use it that much. There is room for additional SSDs.

I use this as a gaming machine sitting next to my main Linux tower. The CPU stays under 60C during the most intense games, although the fans do spin up during a gaming session. Normal temps are in the 40s; high for me, but acceptable. Running hard, noise and temps are okay, although I do game with a headset. The combination stays in the 60fps region, depending on the game. The Silverstone provides plenty of air for the GPU, so it runs fine as well.

Unless you need more storage, I would not get a bigger case than the SG05. If you get the SG05 with included PSU, the cables are shorter, although you can save a few bucks getting the Silverstone SFX separately. I am happy with the included PSU.

I would not try to drop in an H-80 or equivalent for a couple of reasons. First, ITX cases are always tight, and this is no exception. Second, unless you are going to overclock an i7, then you won't need the extra cooling. One of the 92mm Noctua low profile coolers would be nice, however.

When I build an ITX rig, I want to make it small. That is why I don't like the Prodigy or its family members. I previously had this PC in a Lian Li case, and that was pretty, but hot and loud. The SG05 is a really good balance, IMHO.

If I was going to do this again, I might take a look at the 250D, which looks llke it has all the best features of the Sugo, the Coolermaster, and the Prodigy without their flaws. The benefits I would get from the 250D are a full-size PSU (not all crammed in like on the Prodigy) and full dust filtering. Of those two, dust filtering is the thing I miss most on the Sugo.

Anyhow, for an ITX gaming rig up to an i5, the Silverstone SG05 gets two thumbs up from me!

- samwisekoi
How do you get the extra SSDs in there? smile.gif I only want two. I want Linux and Windows on each, respectively.
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

this is precisely why i prefer the SG08 over other SFF cases biggrin.gif the size sacrifice is more then worth it for the acoustic tradeoff you get. with the SG08 you can use a fairly beefy air cooler so you wouldn't have to spin the fans at a very loud rate. and the bonus from the SG08 is that it's also one of the best GPU cooling configuration you can get in ANY case. with the 180mm AP181 blowing directly down on both the CPU AND GPU coolers, it will also keep your GPU fan noise lower since it's getting supplemental cooling from the AP181.

I'm not saying the SG08 is quiet... in fact the AP181 is one of the loudest fans you can use biggrin.gif but the noise is bearable considering it will reduce the amount of noise from other parts of the system like your GPU fan which can easily be louder then anything else your system would put out. general acoustic limits for the AP181, 400-500RPM, near silent. you wont hear it unless you are listening for it. 500-700RPM noticeable, but bearable noise level that you can ignore easily. 700+RPM is definitely noticeable. the default AP181 has a switch between the low setting of 700RPM and high setting of 1200RPM. you want to leave the switch on high then have your mobo controlling the AP181 on one of the chassis headers so it can spin down to 400 to 500RPM range when idle. you CAN leave the switch on low and it wont spin pass 700RPM even with the mobo control, however it would also limit the amount of cooling it can deliver when your system really needs it. also if you use a powerful low profile cooler such as a NH-C14 or something similar, you might be able to run the cooler itself fanless and just let the AP181 do the cooling. but, it wont support high OC if you do it that way.

here is a pic with the NH-C12. and i'm told the NH-C14 fits as well


It still looks a bit cramped. wink.gif I guess that's expected. I think it's between the SG05 and SG08. It's just whether I want to go to the larger footprint or not. The Corsair 250D looks really good but I think it's larger than I want. I don't expect to be lugging it around much but I would like the option. I don't think I'd want to move that around.

I guess I am trying to figure out where a 2nd SSD would go and 2) what cooler type to use - liquid or air and which one.
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