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Originally Posted by bushzyxx View Post

Is there any way to use this one without the LGS? If so what are the dpi options/what's the native one?
I'm currently using my g400s driverless because the drivers just mess up the tracking.

There is no mouse filter driver for Proteus Core in LGS. It uses the Windows mouse driver only.

Proteus Core has onboard memory and your tracking and button settings can be modified by LGS, stored on the mouse, and then used without LGS installed.
post #302 of 3264
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Chris wants to sell you the mouse...

So what is it that you are implying? Given what we know, none of the scenarios where this is intentional deception from Logitech make any sense. Try to come up with one.

And if it were just an oversight in development, it would still be quite a massive irregularity. To go through all the trouble (and money) of developing a new sensor, and to completely and unknowingly fail to reach one of the main objectives in doing so -- an objective already achieved by many optical sensors for years -- someone had to have screwed up in a major way. It's possible, but Occam's Razor points me the other direction until we have more than one person saying it has accel.
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Chris I know you can't reveal stuff related to future projects... but, have you ever had any plan to make a small mouse with a sensor like this or g400's one ? No one in the market have, I only know the abyssus (jittery) and the kana v2 (not even available at my country + high lod).
Edited by vss vintorez - 4/9/14 at 3:15pm
post #304 of 3264
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Originally Posted by xmr1 View Post

So what is it that you are implying? Given what we know, none of the scenarios where this is intentional deception from Logitech make any sense. Try to come up with one.

And if it were just an oversight in development, it would still be quite a massive irregularity. To go through all the trouble (and money) of developing a new sensor, and to completely and unknowingly fail to reach one of the main objectives in doing so -- an objective already achieved by many optical sensors for years -- someone had to have screwed up in a major way. It's possible, but Occam's Razor points me the other direction until we have more than one person saying it has accel.

Man, the logitech mice what uses avago 9500/800 sensors have acceleration right ? And you hear CPate saying that it uses "Delta zero" technology at the same time they call delta zero to a sensor that can track accuarately without acceleration or prediction, so *** ?
Logitech is a company, and he is in charge to take our money as he's the product manager, I woulnd't trust him so much by talking here, he can't trash talk about his own products.
post #305 of 3264
Rotating the sensor during testing is a good point. When I tested multiple times with zero acceleration I kept the mouse 90* and used a ruler to keep the exact distance across the x axis. With a curved free-arm swing, their is a much larger margin for error.
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post #306 of 3264
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Man, the logitech mice what uses avago 9500/800 sensors have acceleration right ? And you hear CPate saying that it uses "Delta zero" technology at the same time they call delta zero to a sensor that can track accuarately without acceleration or prediction, so *** ?
Logitech is a company, and he is in charge to take our money as he's the product manager, I woulnd't trust him so much by talking here, he can't trash talk about his own products.

The obvious difference there being they did not advertise their laser mice as having no acceleration.
post #307 of 3264
We don't claim that our laser-based sensors have Delta Zero technology. Delta Zero, as people here have surmised, is shorthand on our side for sensors that achieve a non-perceptible level of speed-related accuracy variance - so that enthusiasts can look at a new product with a new sensor that no one has ever used before and have confidence that it will have a level of performance that meets their expectations. All of the testing we've done on this sensor shows that it has better performance in this metric than anything else we've ever used. That's why we put it in our top of the line mouse.
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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

Chris I know you can't reveal stuff related to future projects... but, have you ever had any plan to make a small mouse with a sensor like this or g400's one ? No one in the market have, I only know the abyssus (jittery) and the kana v2 (not even available at my country + high lod).

As mentioned before, I am prohibited from discussing development on products that are not listed on our website (or that have previously shipped and have been discontinued.) I'm guessing 3m/sec from G100s is inadequate for you, so as such we do not currently have a product that meets your needs.
Edited by CPate - 4/9/14 at 6:04pm
post #308 of 3264
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The obvious difference there being they did not advertise their laser mice as having no acceleration.

Yes they did... they call them "delta zero".
post #309 of 3264
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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

Man, the logitech mice what uses avago 9500/800 sensors have acceleration right ? And you hear CPate saying that it uses "Delta zero" technology at the same time they call delta zero to a sensor that can track accuarately without acceleration or prediction, so *** ?
Logitech is a company, and he is in charge to take our money as he's the product manager, I woulnd't trust him so much by talking here, he can't trash talk about his own products.
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Yes they did... they call them "delta zero".

This is slightly incorrect. Logitech knows the avago 9500/9800 has acceleration which is probably (Edit: CPate answered above)why they don't label mice with those sensors as "Delta Zero". The only delta zero mice are the G100s (Avago AM010), G400s (Avago 3090/95), G600s (AM010), and now the G502. You'll notice that the only mice that are labeled as "Delta Zero" are optical based. It is true that they are a company and aim to make money but we don't have enough tests yet to determine if this new sensor has noticeable accel or not. So far from playing Titanfall and CS:GO I haven't noticed any acceleration. In fact, if anything it seems to have less smoothing than my Avior 7000.
Edited by Ricey20 - 4/9/14 at 3:39pm
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I've had this mouse for around 24 hours now. I have to say its one of the best mice I have ever used. I have large hands and it feels comfortable in my hand, the scroll wheel is smooth. The left and right scroll is very nice as well. I use 1 weight in the front and 2 in the back. I personally like weighty mice. The USB cord is braided which is a nice touch. The sensor is top notch in my opinion, its very smooth and accurate.
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