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I've had this mouse for around 24 hours now. I have to say its one of the best mice I have ever used. I have large hands and it feels comfortable in my hand, the scroll wheel is smooth. The left and right scroll is very nice as well. I use 1 weight in the front and 2 in the back. I personally like weighty mice. The USB cord is braided which is a nice touch. The sensor is top notch in my opinion, its very smooth and accurate.
Palm grip or what? I'm 6'5" and have large hands so I use a fingertip grip.
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We don't claim that our laser-based sensors have Delta Zero technology. Delta Zero, as people here have surmised, is shorthand on our side for sensors that achieve a non-perceptible level of speed-related accuracy variance - so that enthusiasts can look at a new product with a new sensor that no one has ever used before and have confidence that it will have a level of performance that . All of the testing we've done on this sensor shows that it has better performance in this metric than anything else we've ever used. That's why we put it in our top of the line mouse.
As mentioned before, I am prohibited from discussing development on products that are not listed on our website (or that have previously shipped and have been discontinued.) I'm guessing 3m/sec from G100s is inadequate for you, so as such we do not currently have a product that meets your needs.

Surprinsingly I have to eat my words, I thought I saw "Delta zero" on some of your laser sensor based mice but I've just checked on the site and they're not labeled as that.

G100s is good but yes, the presicion and the low tracking rates are not enough for me, and now if your claims of this sensor are right, I'll get one just to see how the pcb is and try to fit it in other shell xD.

edit:
This part is the one that makes me hate this:
http://puu.sh/82G4M.jpg

I think I'll grab a saw and do this:
http://puu.sh/82Gam.jpg
Edited by vss vintorez - 4/9/14 at 4:56pm
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Surprinsingly I have to eat my words, I thought I saw "Delta zero" on some of your laser sensor based mice but I've just checked on the site and they're not labeled as that.

G100s is good but yes, the presicion and the low tracking rates are not enough for me, and now if your claims of this sensor are right, I'll get one just to see how the pcb is and try to fit it in other shell xD.

edit:
This part is the one that makes me hate this:
http://puu.sh/82G4M.jpg

I think I'll grab a saw and do this:
http://puu.sh/82Gam.jpg

Let us know how the sawing goes. Not a huge fan of that blue area either but so far it hasn't bothered me too much. I also noticed that is indeed slightly front heavy, I had to put a weight at the back end of the mouse to balance it more
Edited by Ricey20 - 4/9/14 at 5:00pm
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If they never listed any of their laser mice as Delta-Zero, that metric holds some pretty good weight. Few companies would admit whether or not the sensors being used in their mice actually qualify as having zero hardware acceleration. That is impressive in its own right, and I can easily respect that transparency. We don't get that often.
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Let us know how the sawing goes. Not a huge fan of that blue area either but so far it hasn't bothered me too much.

When they ship it to Brazil or Argentina I'll get one and do the mod xD. I'm using the roccat savu and I've sawed it at the same
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If they never listed any of their laser mice as Delta-Zero, that metric holds some pretty good weight. Few companies would admit whether or not the sensors being used in their mice actually qualify as having zero hardware acceleration. That is impressive in its own right, and I can easily respect that transparency. We don't get that often.

Agree, I wasn't sure and as every company are a group of liars I thought Logitech was part of them, but they are the only gaming company that is actually telling the truth about their products.
Damn I just remember when Kim Rom (steelseries employee) first said that they were fixing kinzu v1 acceleration, 2 months later when they failed, they claimed that acceleration was a feature of the mouse LOL!.
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When they ship it to Brazil or Argentina I'll get one and do the mod xD. I'm using the roccat savu and I've sawed it at the same
Agree, I wasn't sure and as every company are a group of liars I thought Logitech was part of them, but they are the only gaming company that is actually telling the truth about their products.
Damn I just remember when Kim Rom (steelseries employee) first said that they were fixing kinzu v1 acceleration, 2 months later when they failed, they claimed that acceleration was a feature of the mouse LOL!.

SS even made a page about it on their website admitting it was "designed" to have acceleration on purpose. Bull****.
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Palm grip or what? I'm 6'5" and have large hands so I use a fingertip grip.

I use fingertip and this mouse is extremely comfortable. It doesn't exactly look comfortable but in hand it's pretty amazing for me personally. I'm going to stock up on these when there are more on the shelves.
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One problem is the lack of software able to measure responsiveness, jitter , smoothing, acceleration and more. Enotus is too old and can only measure PCS reliably. New generation sensors are getting so good and its harder to spot weaknesses. Better products is great news but so hard for someone to review them objectively. Human error, personal preferences, different conditions, hardware setup makes this task even harder. I would be surprised if companies like Logitech don't use some kind of advanced software to tune or test their products. I wish some day they will release a Lite version of this software for public use. Its a win-win situation from my point of view. Prestige and sales for them, a tool for us. smile.gif Razer already doing something similar with Game Booster adding brand name value
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Palm grip or what? I'm 6'5" and have large hands so I use a fingertip grip.

I use finger tip grip.
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All these test arent really accurate. You twitch the mouse ever so slightly and the measurement is gone. And in twitch, I mean if you rotate it around the sensor pivot. The only way to get stable and decent results is to exclude human movement from the test.

If you never lift up your mouse and you have the exact same start and end position, you should end up at the same location on the screen barring movement above the pcs, or acceleration. Having a low sensitivity minimizes the margin for error in start and end location, to the point where such a large discrepancy can't be explained through it.

also, i mean, i'm testing it with another mouse and getting the opposite desirable outcomes. The only difference in the method is the mouse. How do i do the same test for acceleration with 2 mice and use the same methods and get two opposite results consistently, over and over again. The only variable is the mouse.
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