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Originally Posted by ADHDadditiv View Post

I've owned mine for just over a year and a half, its broken 3 times on me in that time. I'm not rough on my mice, like I said, I still have 10 year old logitechs that still work, but the mmo7 is so unreliable.

great....i own mine since one month, so i can't comment on that....what's the part that breaks mostly?
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@Cpate:

How do you address the problem that this is a "gaming mouse", yet the vast majority of game players use 6/11 cursor speed settings, and between 400-800 DPI. When you release new sensors with DPI over ten times higher than it needs to be, it requires unacceptably high amounts of anti-jitter smoothing to make the high DPI levels less eratic, while also destroying cursor quality for all low DPI levels in the process from the high smoothing applied.

What exactly has Logitech done with this G502 mouse to fix this problem? If your answer is nothing, we can all go ahead and write this mouse off as a scam because it would do the opposite of what a gaming mouse is supposed to do, ie: perform well in gaming.

To give an idea of what I consider acceptable smoothing, the 3500 DPI G400 is the absolute highest you can go, while I consider the 4000 DPI firmware of the A3090 completely unacceptable smoothing-wise.

I've been pretty skeptical of your ability to detect absurdly minute levels of mouse latency, but I'd still be interested to hear how this new sensor feels to you. If you read all of CPate's posts in this thread, it sounds like (almost) everything you've been pleading for.

Rather than saving money using a sensor already out there, the whole focus of designing the new sensor was as little latency, smoothing, and correction as possible and once that was achieved, additional DPI was only added if it did not compromise those initial goals. How they did this on a technical level, I don't know, but it sounds promising. I believe CPate said it feels more responsive than the G400 you find acceptable.

Of course this is all Logitech's word, but it has been consistent with early feedback from people so far.
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great....i own mine since one month, so i can't comment on that....what's the part that breaks mostly?
It will start randomly not tracking either vertical or horizontal movements. One of them the middle mouse button was extremely sparatic.
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What he's saying is not to use that particular sensor as a guide to put down something like the 3310. They are not nearly the same thing, performance wise. As far as your mouse/sensor of choice... Go for it. I couldn't disagree with you more about the quality of the mouse you're using or the sensor it's packing, but everyone has their preferences.

This is what I was trying to get across, Blash.
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so the 3310 is much better? which are its flaws and strenghts?

about the MMO7, I don't understand why it is not considered reliable or bad quality....why?
I must admitt that i bought it beacuse is fancy and with tons of buttons I use in windows....I have never thinked it could be so good in FPS for me.

3310 is a lot better:
No Z-axis issues like the PTE.
No acceleration.
Very high max PCS of 215 IPS.
Low minimum and adjustable LOD.
NATIVE non-interpolated CPI steps from 50-5000 in increments of 50. (nonexistent in native form in an optical sensor up until this point)

The only real drawback is that it doesn't work on some hard mats very well. Either it won't track or it the LOD will be too high. I feel no smoothing or delay in the 3310, and I've used it at both 120 and 144 Hz on my VG248QE. If it was there, I should have felt it. I have specifically optimized my gaming PC to be as transparent to human motor skill as possible. If there was delay that I perceived, I would have posted about that and mentioned it in my extensive review. There is none to feel in practice to me.
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It will start randomly not tracking either vertical or horizontal movements. One of them the middle mouse button was extremely sparatic.

Yeah. The PTE sensor is to blame for you axis disappearing. I've got 4 PTE mice and 3 of them lost the Y axis over the course of a couple months. I just right it off as just another flaw of that sensor.

The 3310 is much snappier in my opinion compared to Razer's newest optical offering. They're also completely different architectures. The biggest flaw I've encountered with the 3310 is how picky it is with certain mouse pads. It won't track or track sporadically on some pads and others (especially hard pads) increase the lift off distance considerably.
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Yeah. The PTE sensor is to blame for you axis disappearing. I've got 4 PTE mice and 3 of them lost the Y axis over the course of a couple months. I just right it off as just another flaw of that sensor.

The 3310 is much snappier in my opinion compared to Razer's newest optical offering. They're also completely different architectures. The biggest flaw I've encountered with the 3310 is how picky it is with certain mouse pads. It won't track or track sporadically on some pads and others (especially hard pads) increase the lift off distance considerably.

what you mean by razer newest optical offering? AFAIK razer did not offer anything new for past year or more.
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what you mean by razer newest optical offering? AFAIK razer did not offer anything new for past year or more.

The S3988 in the DA 2013 is new and completely different to previous DA sensors.
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The S3988 in the DA 2013 is new and completely different to previous DA sensors.

Exactly.
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thanks guys, that's what i wanted to hear....i'll wait for some more g502 reviews and comments about the sensor....than i'll decide.

i use a G240 cloth mat, so the M45 should work (I hope). my only concern is that's too small, is there any other good mouse with the 3310?
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thanks guys, that's what i wanted to hear....i'll wait for some more g502 reviews and comments about the sensor....than i'll decide.

i use a G240 cloth mat, so the M45 should work (I hope). my only concern is that's too small, is there any other good mouse with the 3310?

Other notable 3310 mice are the Mionix Naos 7000, the Mionix Avior 7000, and the upcoming Roccat Kone Pure Military.
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