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I don't mean to sound overly critical sometimes -- the last thing I want to do is crap all over someone's hard work -- but I side more with Derp here. I feel like it's the job of the consumer to let companies know they shouldn't get complacent and rest on "good enough" products. I think that's a healthy relationship.

Whether I personally like the G502 or not, I understand this is the kind of mouse that appeals to the masses of entry-level or casual gamers, whatever you want to call them. The reality is those people and their wallets far outweigh the hardcore FPS players that frequent these forums. It's simply a smart business decision by Logitech.

But what my issue is, out of their entire mouse product line, Logitech doesn't have one mouse that hits home with the latter group of people. That market is completely neglected. So when you come out with a new sensor that is supposed to be basically the wet dream of FPS players, but put it in an MMO/RTS type mouse where there are already plenty of options, it stings a little bit.

Don't get me wrong, the sensor sounds fantastic and the obvious deduction is that it will be put into future models (that hopefully fit our mold better), but until then we're kind of left hanging with the status quo.
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Xmr1 youre absolutely right, its not a dedicated fps mouse, no problem unless they release something for us in the future
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

I feel logitech especially is guilty of this through the years with various releases.

The type of gamer who buys large heavy palm mice with weight adjustment for further heft and a free spinning scroll wheel are the type of gamers who would post on these forums about how happy they are with their 9500/9800 laser mice and how they don't notice the accel. If they were happy with their G500s or whatever they had before, why would they be interested in this? This targeted audience was already happy with their mouse.

But the G502 is released with a sensor that on paper seems pretty much too good to be true but it is wasted on the section of people who are interested in this mouse as a whole. So you get the other side of the audience who is looking for specialized equipment to play their favorite games with but that sensor they're interested in is in that big heavy gimmicky toy so they probably aren't going to buy it.



A G100s with this new sensor might be a good idea Logitech.

No solid metal, free spinning scroll wheel that serves no purpose.

No weight system because adding weight to an object that you are quickly lifting and swiping around for hours is completely stupid. Do you see baseball players keep the donut weights on their bats when they step up to the plate? No, they take them off. I'm certain those who think they want a 150g mouse are just confused from some placebo gaming session where they did well.

Maybe some small side buttons that stay out of the way (look at the BST mouse shell, it did side buttons well on a small similarly shaped mouse).

See a mouse on the market that would compete with this? I don't. So far Zowie seems to be the only company looking to sell equipment and not toys.

Really well put!

I can understand why Logitech and others focus their efforts on large heavy mice for RTS and MMORPG players. It's the largest and most profitable market so to do anything else would be mad.

But what I don't understand is that when Logitech has a line of 10+ mice none of them cater for a lightweight smaller design. Logitech could use existing designs and existing sensors to dominate this niche. It may not be as large a market, but I'm sure that it would still be profitable. Many people on here have wasted countless sums of money searching for a perfect mouse and would be happy to shell out another £70 for a premium small lightweight mouse that fits their needs.

@CPate could you pass on some of this feedback?
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A G100s with this new sensor might be a good idea Logitech.

No solid metal, free spinning scroll wheel that serves no purpose.

No weight system because adding weight to an object that you are quickly lifting and swiping around for hours is completely stupid. Do you see baseball players keep the donut weights on their bats when they step up to the plate? No, they take them off. I'm certain those who think they want a 150g mouse are just confused from some placebo gaming session where they did well.

Maybe some small side buttons that stay out of the way (look at the BST mouse shell, it did side buttons well on a small similarly shaped mouse).

See a mouse on the market that would compete with this? I don't. So far Zowie seems to be the only company looking to sell equipment and not toys.

The G502 was meant to be an update of the G500 series with a better sensor. I'll bet you'll get your wish for a G102 eventually. It's going to take some time but they'll eventually update their entire lineup with this new sensor. wink.gif
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It is not the sensor I am whining about.
It is that logitech took the P12 route with the design.

Basicly a RAT design, heavy, clunky with a crapp "sniper" button.
It shows more and more that logitech wants to enter the P12 transformer mice with all kinds of crap added.

I do enjoy they are trying to get a flawless sensor, perfect.

I am dissapointed about the shell and the direction they are heading.

It already showed with the G400s and so on.
Added some crap, more then doubled the price.

Logitechs name was made from low cost high quality mice.
The legends MX300, MX510/518 and G400 were all low cost no gimmick high performing sensor mice.
There were no added crap like they have on their mice today.

It was perfect.

The only company that does that anymore is Zowie as derp said.
I am only hoping they listen and implement versions with omrons and I hope a sensor like 3310 with different dpi steps.
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Originally Posted by xmr1 View Post

I don't mean to sound overly critical sometimes -- the last thing I want to do is crap all over someone's hard work -- but I side more with Derp here. I feel like it's the job of the consumer to let companies know they shouldn't get complacent and rest on "good enough" products. I think that's a healthy relationship.

Whether I personally like the G502 or not, I understand this is the kind of mouse that appeals to the masses of entry-level or casual gamers, whatever you want to call them. The reality is those people and their wallets far outweigh the hardcore FPS players that frequent these forums. It's simply a smart business decision by Logitech.

But what my issue is, out of their entire mouse product line, Logitech doesn't have one mouse that hits home with the latter group of people. That market is completely neglected. So when you come out with a new sensor that is supposed to be basically the wet dream of FPS players, but put it in an MMO/RTS type mouse where there are already plenty of options, it stings a little bit.

Don't get me wrong, the sensor sounds fantastic and the obvious deduction is that it will be put into future models (that hopefully fit our mold better), but until then we're kind of left hanging with the status quo.

FPS genre is "dead" on PC. More people play FPS games on console than on PC. I played CS (primarily) and whatnot for almost a decade. There were no innovative FPS games that keep you motivated long-term. CoD, BF and alike are cool for about 3-4 weeks(?)... CS:GO is getting bigger... slowly... Not sure, if it can revive this almost dead genre. However, why should a company put their efforts into something like this? You wouldn't open a shop with (in your opinion) cool products that don't sell. Why should Logitech put their new 12k dpi (that probably is very good) into a mouse like G400 (for example) and not into the G500 shell? "All" people would buy the cheaper version. No one cares about what 1 out of 10,000 wants. It's about profit, not about someone's likes and dislikes. That was no attack on you, xmr1, just generally speaking.
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

for the sake of future logitech mice. Can everyone that got a g502 agree that the scroll wheel is bad?

No, I think you are out of your mind. It's the best 'free spin' wheel they've ever had. I think it's amazing personally. Left/right click and free wheel if you want it AND it's easy to use mouse 3 (depress wheel) unlike every other free wheel they put on their gaming mice. It's an improvement in every way.
Edited by boogdud - 4/11/14 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

It is not the sensor I am whining about.
It is that logitech took the P12 route with the design.

Basicly a RAT design, heavy, clunky with a crapp "sniper" button.
It shows more and more that logitech wants to enter the P12 transformer mice with all kinds of crap added.

I do enjoy they are trying to get a flawless sensor, perfect.

I am dissapointed about the shell and the direction they are heading.

It already showed with the G400s and so on.
Added some crap, more then doubled the price.

Logitechs name was made from low cost high quality mice.
The legends MX300, MX510/518 and G400 were all low cost no gimmick high performing sensor mice.
There were no added crap like they have on their mice today.

It was perfect.

The only company that does that anymore is Zowie as derp said.
I am only hoping they listen and implement versions with omrons and I hope a sensor like 3310 with different dpi steps.
Zowie is the only brand that listens to their customers. If they would stop to do that, they would lose all their customers. They didn't come up with 3310 because they were too afraid about the audience's reaction without knowing much about 3310 first. Meaning without 3310 being hyped first.
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I must say that I kind of like Logitech mice. Now I'm not sure about G502 as I'm not familiar with that in particular, but I quite liked G5, then when it's wire become loose I got G500 as a warranty replacement - I dont remember what my issue with that was, exactly, but I believe that also had broken wire after about a year of use (just out of the warranty on the initial G5 by then). I was not as for as G500 surface material compared to G5. So I got G700 and after couple of years it developed the first mouse button registering issue so I just got G700s as a replacement from warranty. Still getting used to it - it's surface treatment is more similar to G5 compared to G700 but we'll see.

While I like Logitech mice there is always something that for me, personally, could be improved. However, building mice for me, personally, would be rather niche things i must admit wink.gif

I'm kinda optimistic about the future through. With the 3D printing getting cheaper it is not totally unthinkable to start modding the mice with something better than glue gun and tape tongue.gif - So in the future I would expect to get a good mouse "core" and software and be able to "print" somehow the external chassis exactly to suit for your hand shape and grip type.
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The G502 was meant to be an update of the G500 series with a better sensor. I'll bet you'll get your wish for a G102 eventually. It's going to take some time but they'll eventually update their entire lineup with this new sensor. wink.gif

The g100 was asia only.

We finally got the G100s but instead of thinking of it as an equal to the G400 with a different shape they decided to downgrade the sensor.

The G90 which is supposed to be a newly released rebranded g100s is asia only as well.

As you can see, from this past behavior I don't think Logitech cares enough to release a high quality smaller mouse and unless enough people "whine" for one we wont see Logitech release it on their own.
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