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Originally Posted by hza View Post

Zowie is the only brand that listens to their customers. If they would stop to do that, they would lose all their customers. They didn't come up with 3310 because they were too afraid about the audience's reaction without knowing much about 3310 first. Meaning without 3310 being hyped first.

Look I like Zowie products but they are still not quite perfect. I really wish they would just give up the ghost on their awful Huano switches and use Omrons.

And I don't think they didn't come out with a 3310 mouse out of a deliberate choice to not confuse customers. I think the sensor is new and not a lot of mice have come out yet. Both CM and Zowie should release updates to their hardcore gaming mice with this sensor. It gives people who use the same mouse for years a compelling reason to upgrade. I have an FK 2012. I would LOVE an FK with this sensor. The ability to adjust DPI steps would be great for me as I don't like being forced to use the steps Zowie forces on you. I am an RTS'er and need to balance speed of mouse movement for micro with control of mouse movement for micro. I want to be able to change my dpi mice but laser mice have too much acceleration for me to develop muscle memory.

As for this mouse, people need to stop getting butt hurt. I used logitech for many years including the MX518 which I had for almost 10 years. I am a claw gripper and it was a mistake to use a palm mouse but the product was still good. Most people don't simply know the difference in mice ergonomics to be able to tell what suits them.

Logitech has a lot of retailers they work with that carry their products. They need to create a product that appeals to more of the mass market and most of the mass market is MOBA and MMO players. You can't expect Best Buy to hold in stock stuff like a Zowie FK because the common pc gamer consumer (which is already a very niche market) plays WOW or League--which means they want complicated macro software and ridiculously high, useless DPI's. Logitech made compromises with this product and a lot of hardcore gamers are unhappy. But we're the minority so we just need to deal with it. I just hope Logitech releases a g9x shaped mouse with this sensor; it would be divine.
Edited by Diogenes5 - 4/11/14 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Diogenes5 View Post

Look I like Zowie products but they are still not quite perfect. I really wish they would just give up the ghost on their awful Huano switches and use Omrons.

And I don't think they didn't come out with a 3310 mouse out of a deliberate choice to not confuse customers. I think the sensor is new and not a lot of mice have come out yet. Both CM and Zowie should release updates to their hardcore gaming mice with this sensor. It gives people who use the same mouse for years a compelling reason to upgrade. I have an FK 2012. I would LOVE an FK with this sensor. The ability to adjust DPI steps would be great for me as I don't like being forced to use the steps Zowie forces on you. I am an RTS'er and need to balance speed of mouse movement for micro with control of mouse movement for micro. I want to be able to change my dpi mice but laser mice have too much acceleration for me to develop muscle memory.

As for this mouse, people need to stop getting butt hurt. I used logitech for many years including the MX518 which I had for almost 10 years. I am a claw gripper and it was a mistake to use a palm mouse but the product was still good. Most people don't simply know the difference in mice ergonomics to be able to tell what suits them.

Logitech has a lot of retailers they work with that carry their products. They need to create a product that appeals to more of the mass market and most of the mass market is MOBA and MMO players. You can't expect Best Buy to hold in stock stuff like a Zowie FK because the common pc gamer consumer (which is already a very niche market) plays WOW or League--which means they want complicated macro software and ridiculously high, useless DPI's. Logitech made compromises with this product and a lot of hardcore gamers are unhappy. But we're the majority so we just need to deal with it. I just hope Logitech releases a g9x shaped mouse with this sensor; it would be divine.

I'm pretty sure that's not going to change. One of the key priorities of Zowie mice is to keep them software/driver free. That means we will ALWAYS have to deal with the steps that are defined in the mouse itself.

Outside of that, I think that most people here understand that we are not the majority. However, we are the most technically picky and reliable repeat customers on the market. I own more mice right now than 10 people will ever buy in a lifetime, and that number is likely to keep increasing as long as good companies continue to put out solid hardware. That doesn't give us MVP status or anything, but it does give us a voice.
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I'm pretty sure that's not going to change. One of the key priorities of Zowie mice is to keep them software/driver free. That means we will ALWAYS have to deal with the steps that are defined in the mouse itself.

Outside of that, I think that most people here understand that we are not the majority. However, we are the most technically picky and reliable repeat customers on the market. I own more mice right now than 10 people will ever buy in a lifetime, and that number is likely to keep increasing as long as good companies continue to put out solid hardware. That doesn't give us MVP status or anything, but it does give us a voice.

agreed on both fronts. Not to mention, when a gamer we know is thinking about getting a new mouse, he is probably going to ask the guy he knows who is obsessive about them tongue.gif I've even had friends refer friends that i don't know, to me.

It is a silly discussion to have though. It doesn't matter why they do or don't make products you like. Its only whether they do thats important.
Edited by Atavax - 4/11/14 at 12:23pm
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How hard is it to accept that the mouse is not a big heavy clunky mess to some? It is narrower then the G9, slightly longer, and slightly heavier and people are acting like its a max adjusted out RAT 7. Maybe it is because I am not a 100lb 12yo, but I do not notice the extra 20 grams of the G502 laughingsmiley.gif. Everyone holds a mouse differently, but even with my large, long hands I do not touch the sniper button. I guess I use a hybrid claw/palm grip since I am so used to mice being too small for me. The DPI up button on the other hand took some getting used to due to the skinny left click. Seriously, people will nitpick everything. 20 grams is like 8 pennies. Not exactly a burden.

I am not a casual RTS/MMO gamer who only plays WoW and LoL with 20 button mice, but a twitch FPS gamer of ~15 years in titles ranging from the original Wolfenstein and UT99 to newer games like UT3 and TF2 and can appreciate a quality mouse - the sensor in this mouse is second to none. Just because I said my spare drawer has a G5 and G9X doesn't mean I am a Logitech fanboy or that's all I have used or experienced - I have used for myself or PCs I have built mice from Razer, Steelseries, and Mad Catz. I just prefer the size and shape of most Logitech mice...and if I was able to maintain top tier Global Leaderboard status for years in FPS's like UT3 then I think they have done alright. There is a difference in just calling yourself a gamer and being a "Mouse Hipster", and actually holding top level rankings in competitive FPS's.

The response of this mouse from people who actually test it are overwhelmingly positive, but it seems the vocal minority will bash anything based on the company, looks, or maybe due to just skipping breakfast and being cranky rolleyes.gif.
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Originally Posted by Diogenes5 View Post

Look I like Zowie products but they are still not quite perfect. I really wish they would just give up the ghost on their awful Huano switches and use Omrons.

And I don't think they didn't come out with a 3310 mouse out of a deliberate choice to not confuse customers. I think the sensor is new and not a lot of mice have come out yet. Both CM and Zowie should release updates to their hardcore gaming mice with this sensor. It gives people who use the same mouse for years a compelling reason to upgrade. I have an FK 2012. I would LOVE an FK with this sensor. The ability to adjust DPI steps would be great for me as I don't like being forced to use the steps Zowie forces on you. I am an RTS'er and need to balance speed of mouse movement for micro with control of mouse movement for micro. I want to be able to change my dpi mice but laser mice have too much acceleration for me to develop muscle memory.

As for this mouse, people need to stop getting butt hurt. I used logitech for many years including the MX518 which I had for almost 10 years. I am a claw gripper and it was a mistake to use a palm mouse but the product was still good. Most people don't simply know the difference in mice ergonomics to be able to tell what suits them.

Logitech has a lot of retailers they work with that carry their products. They need to create a product that appeals to more of the mass market and most of the mass market is MOBA and MMO players. You can't expect Best Buy to hold in stock stuff like a Zowie FK because the common pc gamer consumer (which is already a very niche market) plays WOW or League--which means they want complicated macro software and ridiculously high, useless DPI's. Logitech made compromises with this product and a lot of hardcore gamers are unhappy. But we're the minority so we just need to deal with it. I just hope Logitech releases a g9x shaped mouse with this sensor; it would be divine.
Well said.

The mouse isn't perfect, and I was one of the first people to nitpick and bash its faults right on its release day. To disregard it as a gimmicky POS though is totally harsh and unfair. The sensor is world class. If the casing and layout doesn't work for your grip or hand size, that is your personal issue and not the fault of the manufacturer.
Edited by Puck - 4/11/14 at 12:30pm
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how is the LMB & RMB click compare to a DA2013? I really like the feel of the DA2013 but an improvement over it would be even better.
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How hard is it to accept that the mouse is not a big heavy clunky mess to some? It is narrower then the G9, slightly longer, and slightly heavier and people are acting like its a max adjusted out RAT 7. Maybe it is because I am not a 100lb 12yo, but I do not notice the extra 20 grams of the G502 laughingsmiley.gif. Everyone holds a mouse differently, but even with my large, long hands I do not touch the sniper button. I guess I use a hybrid claw/palm grip since I am so used to mice being too small for me. The DPI up button on the other hand took some getting used to due to the skinny left click. Seriously, people will nitpick everything. 20 grams is like 8 pennies. Not exactly a burden.

I am not a casual RTS/MMO gamer who only plays WoW and LoL with 20 button mice, but a twitch FPS gamer of ~15 years in titles ranging from the original Wolfenstein and UT99 to newer games like UT3 and TF2 and can appreciate a quality mouse - the sensor in this mouse is second to none. Just because I said my spare drawer has a G5 and G9X doesn't mean I am a Logitech fanboy or that's all I have used or experienced - I have used for myself or PCs I have built mice from Razer, Steelseries, and Mad Catz. I just prefer the size and shape of most Logitech mice...and if I was able to maintain top tier Global Leaderboard status for years in FPS's like UT3 then I think they have done alright. There is a difference in just calling yourself a gamer and being a "Mouse Hipster", and actually holding top level rankings in competitive FPS's.

The response of this mouse from people who actually test it are overwhelmingly positive, but it seems the vocal minority will bash anything based on the company, looks, or maybe due to just skipping breakfast and being cranky rolleyes.gif.
Well said.

The mouse isn't perfect, and I was one of the first people to nitpick and bash its faults right on its release day. To disregard it as a gimmicky POS though is totally harsh and unfair. The sensor is world class. If the casing and layout doesn't work for your grip or hand size, that is your personal issue and not the fault of the manufacturer.

It's not hard to high rank a game like UT3 when there are only 15 people playing it... thumb.gif

I kid, I kid...

As for the outcry of the OCN crew around this mouse. It's great that they are refreshing the G500 in a manner that kills the biggest complaint of that mouse, but they have several mice that fill that niche. Don't get me wrong, I like the mouse a lot, and will end up with one sooner than later, but most of the people here that are *****ing are mad that Logitech eliminated a mouse from their lineup (G9,G9x) that played to a distinct grip/size preference that no other mouse in their lineup caters to. Most were hoping to see the G900 with an optical sensor, or at least something that would be comparable.

It's really more about disappointment than hatred toward the G502. There are actually a lot of people, myself included, that have been recommending it to those asking for something right up the G502 alley. Even in the same breath as the beloved Mionix 7000 series mice. It will come to be accepted over time, even as a shining beacon in their lineup. It just will never scratch the itch that was left by the removal of the G9 form factor.
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how is the LMB & RMB click compare to a DA2013? I really like the feel of the DA2013 but an improvement over it would be even better.




If you really enjoy the shape of the DA, you will need a lot of adjustment for the 502 and may not like it or be willing to go through the growing pains. If you enjoy the shape of the old school mx518 or are coming from a G9x, you will be absolutely in love with the 502. It is way more comfortable then it looks lol.

The left click on the DA is definitely in a better location then the 502, whose achilles heel IMO is the skinny LMB and the DPI buttons right on the edge. It takes a few rounds to get used to, since you need to click straight down and not on a slant to keep from hitting it. The sensor makes it worth it to me. The button itself is fine - no side to side play (unlike the way too loose scroll wheel), no bouncing, and a nice crisp click without any excessive travel or sloppyness.
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It's not hard to high rank a game like UT3 when there are only 15 people playing it... thumb.gif

I kid, I kid...

As for the outcry of the OCN crew around this mouse. It's great that they are refreshing the G500 in a manner that kills the biggest complaint of that mouse, but they have several mice that fill that niche. Don't get me wrong, I like the mouse a lot, and will end up with one sooner than later, but most of the people here that are *****ing are mad that Logitech eliminated a mouse from their lineup (G9,G9x) that played to a distinct grip/size preference that no other mouse in their lineup caters to. Most were hoping to see the G900 with an optical sensor, or at least something that would be comparable.

It's really more about disappointment than hatred toward the G502. There are actually a lot of people, myself included, that have been recommending it to those asking for something right up the G502 alley. Even in the same breath as the beloved Mionix 7000 series mice. It will come to be accepted over time, even as a shining beacon in their lineup. It just will never scratch the itch that was left by the removal of the G9 form factor.

Lmao it had 400k-500k players at the time...NOW its like 15! laughingsmiley.gif

I feel you about the gap left by the G9x. I loved the shape which is why I used it, even with its acceleration. It wasn't so bad on native DPI steps, but was a flawed sensor. If they released a G9x successor with the 502 sensor I would buy it on release day. In fact, take a G9x with the wide load grip, stretch it ~.5-1" for a semi-palm grip, and give it the G502 sensor and I would be in mouse heaven.
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