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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

so if you were doing wild swings late at night and still consistently getting no acceleration then its even harder to use the inaccuracy of my careful swings to explain my results.

Indeed. I had two drinks as well lol.

I will test again with 400 DPI and mimicing your test as best I can to try to reproduce your results.
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Ok
Assuming that you did not understand my point.

Speed : Is change of distance over time.
Ex (distance : time) : (2 : 1) then (4 : 2) then (6 : 3) then (8 : 4) then (10 : 5) then (12 : 6) Is a constant speed of 2.
Acceleration : Is change of speed over time.
Ex (distance : time,speed) : (2 : 1,2) then (8 : 2,4) then (18 : 3,6) then (32 : 4,8) then (50 : 5,10) then (72 : 6,12) is accelerated speed of 2

All of the previously done tests had a certain level of acceleration (because you always have to initiate movement from 0) yet it seems that only atavax where able to reach higher levels of acceleration which might have affected the distance.
Also Atavax's test seemed to be horizontally stable (probably no rotation around z).

So it is either that atavax's mouse is buggy (unusual to have mouse sensor acceleration as a bug)
Or that the new "Delta Zero" sensor (PMW3366DM) has acceleration effect at very high acceleration (higher probability)
The best way to find out is to try and mimic atavax's test and see the result.

Uhm.. maybe my english skills are terrible hence i still didn't get it or this is logically flawed at some point.

As i got it right it's speed dependant. However if you turn fast using lowsens you most likely hit the "accel" you've described. While i think this is logically flawed as a human can't swipe the mouse 1:1 speed wise & accel is dependant on how fast you move the mouse. On the other hand hardware accel should actually have random values if so those formulars wouldn't make sense in the first place.

Those human swipe tests are not reliable for me while it would surprize me if pixart messes up with the 3366 after releasing an accel free 3310.
Edited by Amperial - 4/13/14 at 12:24pm
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The way i understand accel issue is like this.
  • "No accel" mouse
    Will ignore accelerated speed of movement and only factor the speed which will result in constant distance.
    Ex: mouse movement from a to b will always travel the same distance on screen (accel is not factored)
  • "accel" mouse
    Will be affected by the accelerated movement and will factor acceleration into distance changing original distance.
    Ex: mouse movement from a to b will result in different distance on the screen based on the movement acceleration

So basically you have to move your mouse in accelerated speed to check if this issue is there or not.
Assuming that i am right. It troubles me that you made a review without knowing this..

Ok I think I understand the problem. Mouse accel is not a function of actual accelerated movement. It just refers to the sensor error that can occur at high speeds if the sensor can't track perfectly, resulting in different distances moved.
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Well, this mouse is just completely awesome.
Yeah it's slightly heavier than the Deathadder Black/3.5g, but HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, 1.2mm liftoff distance on everything..And unlike the deathadder black edition, it tracks perfectly on the older Golathus speed edition (the DA black, funny enough, would malfunction on it at medium speeds, while the old 3G deathadder tracked perfectly on it..go figure).
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I'm going to go pick up this mouse at Best Buy in a little bit. Can't wait to try it!
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Ok
Assuming that you did not understand my point.

Speed : Is change of distance over time.
Ex (distance : time) : (2 : 1) then (4 : 2) then (6 : 3) then (8 : 4) then (10 : 5) then (12 : 6) Is a constant speed of 2.
Acceleration : Is change of speed over time.
Ex (distance : time,speed) : (2 : 1,2) then (8 : 2,4) then (18 : 3,6) then (32 : 4,8) then (50 : 5,10) then (72 : 6,12) is accelerated speed of 2

All of the previously done tests had a certain level of acceleration (because you always have to initiate movement from 0) yet it seems that only atavax where able to reach higher levels of acceleration which might have affected the distance.
Also Atavax's test seemed to be horizontally stable (probably no rotation around z).

So it is either that atavax's mouse is buggy (unusual to have mouse sensor acceleration as a bug)
Or that the new "Delta Zero" sensor (PMW3366DM) has acceleration effect at very high acceleration (higher probability)
The best way to find out is to try and mimic atavax's test and see the result.

Jesus, i did the same as Atavax, one fast swipe (very high acceleration needed to get that fast quickly!) and a slow swipe back (very little acceleration).

I think you don't really get what accel is. It's independent of the speed you're going at.

Once again: I did the same test Atavax did, in a theoretically worse movement pattern to try and see how that would affect the distance traveled by the cursor. In my test there was no notable acceleration, in atavax's test there was. I might try again on 400 dpi, but I doubt that is the reason. Everybody except Atavax seems to have no accel, so my guess is he has a defective unit.
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Well, this mouse is just completely awesome.
Yeah it's slightly heavier than the Deathadder Black/3.5g, but HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, 1.2mm liftoff distance on everything..And unlike the deathadder black edition, it tracks perfectly on the older Golathus speed edition (the DA black, funny enough, would malfunction on it at medium speeds, while the old 3G deathadder tracked perfectly on it..go figure).
Welcome to the club!

I tried not to hype it up until there were more test results from more people, but from day one I said it was the most accurate sensor I have ever used - and although I have not posted here as a regular for a long time I have been PC gaming since the 90s. My first self built PC was a Socket A Duron back in ~2002, pencil modded for faster FSB OC'd to 2ghz thumb.gif.

Now that I am used to the narrow left click and dont hit the DPI UP anymore, I do not have a single complaint about the G502 - I wish it was slightly wider and had a pinky ledge, but I have big lanky 2XL hands so I'm probably in the minority smile.gif.
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Jesus, i did the same as Atavax, one fast swipe (very high acceleration needed to get that fast quickly!) and a slow swipe back (very little acceleration).

I think you don't really get what accel is. It's independent of the speed you're going at.

Once again: I did the same test Atavax did, in a theoretically worse movement pattern to try and see how that would affect the distance traveled by the cursor. In my test there was no notable acceleration, in atavax's test there was. I might try again on 400 dpi, but I doubt that is the reason. Everybody except Atavax seems to have no accel, so my guess is he has a defective unit.

Not related to this now.
But what if there is a sensor that malfunctions differently.

There are sensors that give negative accel at a certain mouse speeds so who knows how newer sensors do behave.
However i agree, i kinda didn't get his post aswell.
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Jesus, i did the same as Atavax, one fast swipe (very high acceleration needed to get that fast quickly!) and a slow swipe back (very little acceleration).

I think you don't really get what accel is. It's independent of the speed you're going at.

Once again: I did the same test Atavax did, in a theoretically worse movement pattern to try and see how that would affect the distance traveled by the cursor. In my test there was no notable acceleration, in atavax's test there was. I might try again on 400 dpi, but I doubt that is the reason. Everybody except Atavax seems to have no accel, so my guess is he has a defective unit.

I'm not the brightest among my colleagues but i think i know what acceleration is.
As mentioned before more displacement or distance over a period of less time is greater acceleration.
None of you did it as fast as Avatax

Any way there is another possible factor that could solve explain this issue.

But there is news, and this could probably be the reason.
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Originally Posted by Deku View Post

just for your information, cs go raw input is bugged. Do it without raw input, maybe it will be different
That was a quote on this video which was testing the AVIOR 7000 PMW3310 sensor which is "known" to have no acceleration.
The problem might be in the game (CS:GO) though
If that is true then there is no evidence that the new "Delta Zero" (PWM3366DM) mouse has any acceleration (Highly probable).
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i did the acceleration test in cs go, tf2, and quake live. all of them positive for acceleration consistently.
Edited by Atavax - 4/13/14 at 2:14pm
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