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Originally Posted by mcg75 View Post

Neither AMD, Nvidia or Intel care about customers. They care about their wallets.

When anybody in this industry gives something away for free, it's never really free. There is always a motive behind it and that motive is always money.

If you can stop something your biggest competitor has from catching on, it helps your own sales.

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Was gonna say this in the other AMD school/hospital thread to your post there as it was the same as this one, so here it goes. Whereas we might agree somewhat on general intent, neither of us can speak to definitive. AMD has been commonly known as an open standard company, and usually over time under its current leadership. It cant be taken away, the good it does the public regardless of intent. I have no doubt that they look at how it impacts their future sales and that to a great degree impacts the decision, but the end result, the one we see, is no less advantageous.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

A company is a company, they will think about their wallets because without money or shareholder happiness they cannot do a thing. Just like if you were to give change to a homeless peep on the streets, the first thing you would think about is how much money you have and how much of it you'd be willing to spare. The differance between the companies is how many people they step on and how their "Morality" works out. AMD has generally always pushed for open source whereas Nvidia pushes for more control and monetisation of things. Thats what sets the two apart. At their 'core' they are the same, it's just how they go about it that sets them apart.

I'm happy for this change because anything being open source is generally a better thing but I'll have to read up more on it because I've just come into this "Freesync" on this thread. biggrin.gif
post #122 of 422
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Originally Posted by serothis View Post


Freesync would also require you to buy a new monitor even though it's an open standard. And a new gpu with the new DP standard. It's going to cost money regardless of propriety or not. It's the cost of new technology.

Sure it requires a new monitor but that's not the point. When talking about G-Sync this proprietary tech is only available to a handful of manufacturers and extreme prices. Furthermore you need and Nvidia based GPU, pretty much and Nvidia eco-system all around. When we are talking about an open standard, every monitor will support FreeSync even the cheapest of them. Furthemore consumers would not be limited one GPU manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Was gonna say this in the other AMD school/hospital thread to your post there as it was the same as this one, so here it goes. Whereas we might agree somewhat on general intent, neither of us can speak to definitive. AMD has been commonly known as an open standard company, and usually over time under its current leadership. It cant be taken away, the good it does the public regardless of intent. I have no doubt that they look at how it impacts their future sales and that to a great degree impacts the decision, but the end result, the one we see, is no less advantageous.

I didn't say that what AMD was doing was not good for anyone.

But I'd be far more inclined to agree with you if AMD were a private company or if they were the sales leader in each category.

The fact is in just about any business, when you are in second place, you will always make sacrifices the number one guy would not in order to reach the top.

Once you reach the top, the game changes.

As long as these companies have shareholders, it's all about the money.
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It is not a fish? tongue.gif

In france aprils fools day is actually april fish. because fish are fools
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i like fish sticks.
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In france aprils fools day is actually april fish. because fish are fools

See I was thinking that it was reffering to a Red Herring, a common term used to discribe something that throws somone off the trail .. a joke maybe, hence April fools news smile.gif
post #127 of 422
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Anyone can use it. Just amd pushed it to be an open standard. Nothing else. Freesync was a name that some amd fans used it on twitter and amd pr took it. Amd will just enable the feature on the drivers nothing else

AMD hasn't pushed anything. They're "hoping" to "encourage" (their words, not mine) display manufacturers to implement it.

They deserve no credit whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Ashuiegi View Post

another time when amd is showing to be the biger guy when they have less found then nvidia, nvidia is just a cash pump that don't care about custumers or pc industry

How people can continue to believe this, when the facts of the situation say the complete opposite, is something I truly will never understand.

AMD has no product. They're not even working on a product. Their stated goal is to have OTHER PEOPLE DO THE WORK FOR THEM.

Whereas Nvidia gave us something we can actually use, through a lot of internal R&D.

You can't say that AMD is the "better" company when they haven't done a damn thing.
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Sure it requires a new monitor but that's not the point. When talking about G-Sync this proprietary tech is only available to a handful of manufacturers and extreme prices. Furthermore you need and Nvidia based GPU, pretty much and Nvidia eco-system all around. When we are talking about an open standard, every monitor will support FreeSync even the cheapest of them. Furthemore consumers would not be limited one GPU manufacturer.

I think I am running out of breath repeating myself, and this may be my last post here because it doesn't seem to be doing any good, so here it goes..............

What you just said is not only wrong, but completely flawed and speculative.

It (Freesync) requiring the purchase of anything is the point, it isn't "Free" at that point; and AMD has been pushing "FreeSync" as a cost effective alternative to G-Sync, even though they are flat lying about it. G-Sync right now is available to a number of manufacturers, and there is actually a queue for others to wait while they ramp up production of the ASIC. Even Overlord Computers, a tiny little display company in Sacramento, is waiting on a G-Sync module for the very display I am sitting in front of. So, limited to certain manufacturers? Hardly!!!

Further, what qualifies you to make the statement is is only available at an "extreme price"? The DIY kit for it was only $150, a fraction of what a basic gaming rig costs, and I can almost guarantee that display manufacturers don't pay anything near that per ASIC they install. Cost will also come down as the technology is adopted, it is new, it costs more now than it will in the future, that is basic knowledge. To cut off any argument you might have and think it wise to point at displays like the Asus ROG Swift with its $800 price tag as an "extreme price" example I will remind you of this, you aren't paying for just G-sync in that display. The price tag is justified by the insane specs of the display itself, the same thing goes for its smaller $400 brother that was mentioned.

Finally, the big one here.....

NOT EVERY MONITOR WILL SUPPORT FREESYNC! For the love of god people, read!! Actually do research on the topic!

  • FreeSync still requires an ASIC, just like G-Sync! The G-Sync module is an ASIC.
  • FreeSync is an OPTION within the DP 1.2a standard, one of MANY options that can be used - many options aren't. It isn't a mandatory feature of DP 1.2a.
  • The only displays that would support FreeSync will be the displays that use the optional specs in the DP 1.2a standard AND have the ASIC installed.
  • You will have to have an AMD or Nvidia card that supports the feature as well - either through buying a new card or possibly a new driver set or BIOS.


Now, let us look at this from a realistic point, and I have said this several times already. If a very very very small portion of your customer base (display buyers) will benefit from VRR why would you spend the money as a company to put the ASIC in all your displays? The answer, you don't! "FreeSync" capable displays will be sold as "Gamer" displays and at a mark-up, it is that simple. VRR in the desktop world only benefits the gamer, as we are the only ones that are dealing with frame rate fluctuation.

FreeSync isn't some magical thing that just magically happens for free and without cost. This news doesn't mean it is happening, at all.

People, I implore you to simply do basic research on what this takes. Do basic research on how it is already being used in a very select number of situations in the mobile world. Educate yourselves on this topic. I see many of you holding your breath for the Savior AMD to come and free you from the Evil Nvidia and their devilish G-Sync, and you are only setting yourselves up for a HUGE disappointment.

G-Sync and FreeSync are trying to accomplish the same thing, and both are actually approaching it very similarly, they are much closer to each other than many of you think. They also require more or less the same types of hardware to work. They both require an ASIC and they both require a GPU compatible with the specification; they both cost money for hardware! Nvidia is just being upfront with you on those costs and telling you exactly what it takes. AMD, on the other hand, is trying to hide behind catch phrases and buzzwords.
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I'm pretty sure they can push nothing. The monitor market appears to be controlled by TV and Hollywood markets.

They could of course push ideas, get some technologies in the open.

So, we have to convince the users of TVs, Mobile screens, and pretty much any screen user. This IS something that would benefit every device (if it's proper gsync-quality and not a laggy knockoff).
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