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I disagree, G-Sync is expensive regardless of the benefits, you will need a new monitor $499+ or a compatible monitor (existing) and $200 G-Sync kit. I would rather put $200-500 towards other components more beneficial in my opinion.
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This is largely due to the premium that goes with anything that early adopters want to buy, and is not inherent to the technology.

As long as the technology remain proprietary there will always been a premium

Freesync would also require you to buy a new monitor even though it's an open standard. And a new gpu with the new DP standard. It's going to cost money regardless of propriety or not. It's the cost of new technology.
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I really can see why people well versed about this matter don't touch the news section with a 10 feet pole.

Yea, I got a little more involved in this conversation than intended.

We tend to just sit back and chuckle a bit at what is said a lot of the time....it is interesting.....
    
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Freesync would also require you to buy a new monitor even though it's an open standard. And a new gpu with the new DP standard. It's going to cost money regardless of propriety or not. It's the cost of new technology.
Yes i am sure you know what the post meant. Keep twisting it.

Cause old hardware should support a new free technology that is not even out yet.

Buying a new monitor in order to use it is common sense.

But hey..... There is no cost for "freesync"
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Or manufacturers will just slap a 'gamer' tag on and charge you $700 for a monitor that supports a variable refresh rate to support Freesync.

The really clever part by AMD isn't the implementation, it was using the word 'free' in the nomenclature.

You're going to pay for this feature with either GPU vendor.

I thing you are not being just at all with his comment.

It reads too much:
"nVidia charges for G-Sync, so AMD would never give it for free"
"They trick you by saying it is free"
"Has to be a marketing scam" etc

Nullifying, stereotypical and polarizing comments, that misjudge exactly what this could mean for us: new hardware won't have to "pick sides" and licence proprietary stuff.

They would licence VESA most likely anyways, they should be thinking about DP on most enthusiast products anyways.

They only "trickster" in this situation is nVidia, obvously knew about that, but marketed exclusively for their proprietary stuff, not compromising any feature for "free".
Even if FreeSync is not as effective as G-Sync, as a consumer I cannot believe that someone would argue against AMD's intentions.

And yes, I have a GTX Titan.

As for "Freesync also requires new hardware to be bought"...wow...just wow...
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Freesync would also require you to buy a new monitor even though it's an open standard. And a new gpu with the new DP standard. It's going to cost money regardless of propriety or not. It's the cost of new technology.
Yes i am sure you know what the post meant. Keep twisting it.

Cause old hardware should support a new free technology that is not even out yet.

Buying a new monitor in order to use it is common sense.

But hey..... There is no cost for "freesync"

So when Redeemer says...
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I disagree, G-Sync is expensive regardless of the benefits, you will need a new monitor $499+ or a compatible monitor (existing) and $200 G-Sync kit. I would rather put $200-500 towards other components more beneficial in my opinion.


His complaint is that to use gsync you would need to buy a new monitor. How is me saying you would need to do the same for Freesync twisting his words?
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I thing you are not being just at all with his comment.

It reads too much:
"nVidia charges for G-Sync, so AMD would never give it for free"
"They trick you by saying it is free"
"Has to be a marketing scam" etc

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They would licence VESA most likely anyways, they should be thinking about DP on most enthusiast products anyways.

They only "trickster" in this situation is nVidia, obvously knew about that, but marketed exclusively for their proprietary stuff, not compromising any feature for "free".
Even if FreeSync is not as effective as G-Sync, as a consumer I cannot believe that someone would argue against AMD's intentions.

And yes, I have a GTX Titan.

As for "Freesync also requires new hardware to be bought"...wow...just wow...

FreeSync will require new hardware, either a new GPU and new display or just a new display; either way you are spending money on new hardware to take advantage of it. You have to be blind to not understand that.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with Nvidia charging for G-Sync, because they are the ones taking on the R&D cost to develop it! They are a business, not a 501 Charity, it is that simple. If you only had any idea how many "standards" were originally proprietary products to very specific companies....

General evolution timeline on technology...
  • Company brainstorms and R&Ds prototypes
  • Company obtains some level of patent
  • Product is proprietary to developing company - mainly to recover R&D costs
  • Mass adoption
  • Open standard


It isn't terribly uncommon for the competition to try and come up with some marketing ploy to make the developing company look evil. It is a pattern and behavior that goes back to pretty much any time in human history where technology/advancements have been sought.
    
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So when Redeemer says...
His complaint is that to use gsync you would need to buy a new monitor. How is me saying you would need to do the same for Freesync twisting his words?

We will need a new gpu to use free dx12 in windows also.
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We will need a new gpu to use free dx12 in windows also.

Yes, hence the final line of my post
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Freesync would also require you to buy a new monitor even though it's an open standard. And a new gpu with the new DP standard. It's going to cost money regardless of propriety or not. It's the cost of new technology.
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Yes, hence the final line of my post

Lets agree to disagree... I do not agree with you or what you are implying.

If I want a gpu with new hdmi or dp ports that support new technology I will have to buy a new gpu. It is common sense.

Monitors video cards will come out with new ports etc like they have been doing for years, freesync or not. Not sure why it is now "an added cost". Especially for people here who upgrade ever 2 months.
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FreeSync will require new hardware, either a new GPU and new display or just a new display; either way you are spending money on new hardware to take advantage of it. You have to be blind to not understand that.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with Nvidia charging for G-Sync, because they are the ones taking on the R&D cost to develop it! They are a business, not a 501 Charity, it is that simple. If you only had any idea how many "standards" were originally proprietary products to very specific companies....

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  • Product is proprietary to developing company - mainly to recover R&D costs
  • Mass adoption
  • Open standard


It isn't terribly uncommon for the competition to try and come up with some marketing ploy to make the developing company look evil. It is a pattern and behavior that goes back to pretty much any time in human history where technology/advancements have been sought.

While AMD and whoever supports FreeSync does it for free? There are no R&D and support after launch costs?

Yes, it requires new hardware, just like G-Sync, but because it is a next generation DP feature. That probably ALL devices will get without paying AMD directly.
While nVidia rigged G-Sync to profit directly.

But yeah, I am the "blind" or pretending to be "blind" one that fails to see that.
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