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are AMD broke? their adverts are terrible for a multinational

Yeah, AMD is broke. That's why their competing with Intel/Nvidia on a huge scale in the CPU/GPU market and have their hardware in next gen consoles.

Yep. You nailed it. /sarcasm rolleyes.gif
 
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are AMD broke? their adverts are terrible for a multinational
They are leveraging everything according to their reformed strategy not only IP they also use geeky engineers in their PR. biggrin.gif
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RIGHT! With Nvidia they have great support with all cards. My older cards (i can not afford new cards) were working fine till AMD started fiddling with the drivers where they worked fine before. Also though i asked around in the HD7850 thread how crossfire was working mid/later 2013 and they still have screen tearing and frame latency in games, even with up to date drivers. Also some of those glitches in that link aren't with games.
My point it is this video is pretty dumb and they are always trying to push their hardware but, never try to truly improve their software like nvidia did.
For GCN cards in non DX9 games the problems are pretty non existent.

Uhm AMD is actually pushing software more than Nvidia they are pushing openCL, HSA and Mantle. They are also radically fixing the problems with their drivers ever since Raja came back.
Edited by maarten12100 - 4/5/14 at 5:21am
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Yeah, AMD is broke. That's why their competing with Intel/Nvidia on a huge scale in the CPU/GPU market and have their hardware in next gen consoles.

Yep. You nailed it. /sarcasm rolleyes.gif

of course there not broke, reverse sarcasm fail on your part tiredsmiley.gif




but the adverts are terrible. They are not even done in a 'lo-fi' but still cool way they are just very bad adverts.
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They are leveraging everything according to their reformed strategy not only IP they also use geeky engineers in their PR. biggrin.gif
For GCN cards in non DX9 games the problems are pretty non existent.

Uhm AMD is actually pushing software more than Nvidia they are pushing openCL, HSA and Mantle. They are also radically fixing the problems with their drivers ever since Raja came back.

i'd disagree, the only software they push is for new cards on windows only which isn't much. I'd rather them fix glitches ad stability in all their cards. some of their drivers flat out break things. mantle isn't big a deal i bet they'll drop it in a few years just like they do with support for older video cards (unlike nividia), since Open GL and DX plan on catching up besides a glitches and frame improvements are way better than something that works on a select few cards on a select few OSes so i say Nvidia is way better on the software front.

EDIT: also a ton of games are DX9 and OGL so if any thing your proving my point. can't hate on me or make fun of me because everything i'm complaining about Nvidia has done/provided/fixed. Nivida truly raised the bar on the software side.

I have to say owning both old cards of both brands Nvidia has been treating me way better. however if you play games on windows and have a newer card AMD works fine but, i want and use more than that and it's just me since linux and OSX are growing in usage shares and the fact plenty of people are still rocking older hardware.
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Laughed so hard at that, wearing gloves and yet he breaks the fins ^^

Really bad commercial/reveal/something none the less. Not amused.

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Dat marketing department lololol.

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The video looks like it's been made by a couple of 10 year olds.

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I'm pretty sure AMDs marketing department is run by 10 year olds. Remember the Richland APU release commercial? It was ninjas fighting a giant robot or some thing.

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lol this video is so cheesy

All these. Commercial was simply painful to watch.
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i'd disagree, the only software they push is for new cards on windows only which isn't much. I'd rather them fix glitches ad stability in all their cards. some of their drivers flat out break things. mantle isn't big a deal i bet they'll drop it in a few years just like they do with support for older video cards (unlike nividia), since Open GL and DX plan on catching up besides a glitches and frame improvements are way better than something that works on a select few cards on a select few OSes so i say Nvidia is way better on the software front.
Mantle is supposedly crossplatform ready and a relatively easy port.
Nvidia drivers also flat out break things if you look in the driver release thread it shows various failures there too. 1440P monitors no longer working after updating the driver or their Fermi cards overheating like crazy and crashing with some of the later drivers.

Mantle isn't a big deal?
Reduces cpu bottleneck and makes multiplayer games playable at single player fps it is a world of difference!
But your bet is correct AMD is working with MS to make DX12 which will have many of mantle's code I guess to market. After that AMD will drop Mantle since they have achieved what they wanted which is lower cpu overhead.

Drop support? Nvidia did drop support for their DX10 cards on an relatively unstable build. But there are not that many 4850/4870/4890 users our there anymore anyways so I geuss AMD might as well drop them too.
Do you really think they will catch up and be adopted any time soon DX12's first games are more than a year away.
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EDIT: also a ton of games are DX9 and OGL so if any thing your proving my point. can't hate on me or make fun of me because everything i'm complaining about Nvidia has done/provided/fixed. Nivida truly raised the bar on the software side.
A ton of games? You should reconsider your statement since those DX9 games and openGL games you speak of are actually easily playable on a single gpu which AMD has no problems with. There is only one game that can use extra cpu and gpu power beyond 1 gpu and that is heavily modded high res lots of AA skyrim.
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I have to say owning both old cards of both brands Nvidia has been treating me way better. however if you play games on windows and have a newer card AMD works fine but, i want and use more than that and it's just me since linux and OSX are growing in usage shares and the fact plenty of people are still rocking older hardware.
I have a 275 had a 295 and have a 570 I also have a 4850 had a 4870 have 2 5870's and have a 7850 and had a R9 290x.
AMD's older gpus are doing fine for me in most games but there are games in which I turn of CF because it runs like junk. But those are games that are easy to handle.
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Mantle is supposedly crossplatform ready and a relatively easy port.
Nvidia drivers also flat out break things if you look in the driver release thread it shows various failures there too. 1440P monitors no longer working after updating the driver or their Fermi cards overheating like crazy and crashing with some of the later drivers.

Mantle isn't a big deal?
Reduces cpu bottleneck and makes multiplayer games playable at single player fps it is a world of difference!
But your bet is correct AMD is working with MS to make DX12 which will have many of mantle's code I guess to market. After that AMD will drop Mantle since they have achieved what they wanted which is lower cpu overhead.

Drop support? Nvidia did drop support for their DX10 cards on an relatively unstable build. But there are not that many 4850/4870/4890 users our there anymore anyways so I geuss AMD might as well drop them too.
Do you really think they will catch up and be adopted any time soon DX12's first games are more than a year away.
A ton of games? You should reconsider your statement since those DX9 games and openGL games you speak of are actually easily playable on a single gpu which AMD has no problems with. There is only one game that can use extra cpu and gpu power beyond 1 gpu and that is heavily modded high res lots of AA skyrim.
I have a 275 had a 295 and have a 570 I also have a 4850 had a 4870 have 2 5870's and have a 7850 and had a R9 290x.
AMD's older gpus are doing fine for me in most games but there are games in which I turn of CF because it runs like junk. But those are games that are easy to handle.

mantle is for specific AMD cards only DX and OGL are not only corss platofrm but, work with all brands of video cards by this logic mantel is an odd ball and supports only small few setups compared to all of the gaming hardware demographics ever.

this is why it's not big deal since DX and OLG are gonna pick up the slack and also reduce CPU demand and bottle neck.
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Drop support? Nvidia did drop support for their DX10 cards on an relatively unstable build. But there are not that many 4850/4870/4890 users our there anymore anyways so I geuss AMD might as well drop them too.
Do you really think they will catch up and be adopted any time soon DX12's first games are more than a year away.

I'm still getting updates for the nivida 8000 series, brand spak'n new drivers, the 8000 series is older than the hd4000 series. that's m point they didn't drop support like AMD did and AMD dropped support after making glitch riddled drivers that lack the SDK that most apps require. "oops we forgot part of the driver... oh well, lets just drop those cards right after making a crippling driver" now i can't mine on my cards unless i find specific outdated driver. on top of this they now have some sort of bug that artifacts fonts, non of this was problem 2 years ago.

also how many people are using hd4000 is conjecture but, i digress since nvidia is still supporting older cards. which by the way i still plenty of both brand's older cards on a regular basis.
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A ton of games? You should reconsider your statement since those DX9 games and openGL games you speak of are actually easily playable on a single gpu which AMD has no problems with. There is only one game that can use extra cpu and gpu power beyond 1 gpu and that is heavily modded high res lots of AA skyrim.

you said most non DX9 games don't have the issues
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For GCN cards in non DX9 games the problems are pretty non existent.

at least that's how i'm reading it. it's not a problem on GCN cards in non DX9 games and many many games run on DX9 or OGL which is not DX10 or DX11.
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I have a 275 had a 295 and have a 570 I also have a 4850 had a 4870 have 2 5870's and have a 7850 and had a R9 290x.
AMD's older gpus are doing fine for me in most games but there are games in which I turn of CF because it runs like junk. But those are games that are easy to handle.

in BioShock infite i get some screen tearing, i asked about BSI in the HD7850 club and in 7850 CFX there is also screen tearing and here is the thing that's just one game. i'd conjecture tha there are more demanding games with such issues.

Also if you have a an GT or GTX200 series you'd know they are still getting drivers updates along with the 8000 series so when you said nvidia dropped the older cards that's not true they are still supporting them unlike AMD. I'm having issues with my HD4000 and HD2000 series cards but, not my 8000 or 200 or 400 seires cards on the nvidia side.

also AMD has little to no Linux support which is a also a big deal. AMD's software front flat out sucks and mantle is short and lived and to replaced with better versions of OGL and DX which run on ore than a small handful of video cards unlike mantle. mantle DID light a fire under DX and OLG but, other than that it's not practice reprogram a games rendering parts just to support a few AMD cards when your target audience is people who have a vast array of hardware far beyond those few mantle supported video cards.

who would make a games that only runs on the "R" series video cards and nothing else? nobody that's who. oh you have an older video card or nvidia well sorry you can't play this game. On top of this th time spent porting over to mantle could be used porting over to OGL so you you could support linux and OSX on AMD/Nvidia AND Intel.

the demographic for mantle and the time and labor to port over to it makes it rather kind of moot specifically when DX OLG are gonna pick up the ball... or rather they promised too but, i don't doubt them thy need to keep improving anyways to keep advancing with hardware like they usually do.

HSA is kind of the same deal unless intel picks it up with their CPU/GPUs it's all brand specific stuff. would rather have my games and softwares work right than have have Open CL which btw the last i heard doesn't work right half the time, though that may be a application issue and not Open CLs fault. it's good though in the fact they are trying to make new things and advance but, practicality is another story.
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Disappointed!
I expected a Nvidia rep to suddenly jump from the shadows, bring a 790 out of his inner jacket pocket, throw at the AMD rep and make everything explode.
Did not happen frown.gif
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mantle is for specific AMD cards only DX and OGL are not only corss platofrm but, work with all brands of video cards by this logic mantel is an odd ball and supports only small few setups compared to all of the gaming hardware demographics ever.

this is why it's not big deal since DX and OLG are gonna pick up the slack and also reduce CPU demand and bottle neck.
Mantle can be extended to support other vendors but Nvidia is too egocentric to do such a thing. They rather lose a bit of performance rather than use an API formed by the competition.

DX12 should reduce that overhead indeed but it will arrive very late while Mantle is here and now. DX12 also has a history of being less that what it was promised to be and is updated in very slow pace. I'm glad AMD is helping them.
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I'm still getting updates for the nivida 8000 series, brand spak'n new drivers, the 8000 series is older than the hd4000 series. that's m point they didn't drop support like AMD did and AMD dropped support after making glitch riddled drivers that lack the SDK that most apps require. "oops we forgot part of the driver... oh well, lets just drop those cards right after making a crippling driver" now i can't mine on my cards unless i find specific outdated driver. on top of this they now have some sort of bug that artifacts fonts, non of this was problem 2 years ago.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2014/03/14/nvidia-dx10-eol/1
only reported issues will be fixed but it is pretty much a dead end the mining is btw easily fixable by transfering a file if I read that correctly. Mining is a dying thing anyways.
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also how many people are using hd4000 is conjecture but, i digress since nvidia is still supporting older cards. which by the way i still plenty of both brand's older cards on a regular basis.
you said most non DX9 games don't have the issues
at least that's how i'm reading it. it's not a problem on GCN cards in non DX9 games and many many games run on DX9 or OGL which is not DX10 or DX11.
in BioShock infite i get some screen tearing, i asked about BSI in the HD7850 club and in 7850 CFX there is also screen tearing and here is the thing that's just one game. i'd conjecture tha there are more demanding games with such issues.
I was talking dual card for most non DX9 games don't have issues.
Single card there should be no issues with any library.
Maybe you should lower your settings and turn vsync on or if you don't response times to be higher lower settings to 100+ fps levels and turn vsync off.
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Also if you have a an GT or GTX200 series you'd know they are still getting drivers updates along with the 8000 series so when you said nvidia dropped the older cards that's not true they are still supporting them unlike AMD. I'm having issues with my HD4000 and HD2000 series cards but, not my 8000 or 200 or 400 seires cards on the nvidia side.
As if I'm using my 275 or my 570 they are backup cards.
You're having problems with a 6 year old card and you expect something with a 2 year warranty to have unlimited updates.
Arguing goes both ways but the 4870 was pushed out only 2 years after AMD acquired ATI at which point the design would've been in a far stage already. The 5xxx series were aimed at the feature and will hold support for many years to come since DX11 won't leave any time soon. (another 2 - 3 years of driver support)
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also AMD has little to no Linux support which is a also a big deal. AMD's software front flat out sucks and mantle is short and lived and to replaced with better versions of OGL and DX which run on ore than a small handful of video cards unlike mantle. mantle DID light a fire under DX and OLG but, other than that it's not practice reprogram a games rendering parts just to support a few AMD cards when your target audience is people who have a vast array of hardware far beyond those few mantle supported video cards.
They are working on that but I agree their linux support hasn't been up to the job.
A example of work
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-mentor-graphics-accelerate-open-120000380.html
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who would make a games that only runs on the "R" series video cards and nothing else? nobody that's who. oh you have an older video card or nvidia well sorry you can't play this game. On top of this th time spent porting over to mantle could be used porting over to OGL so you you could support linux and OSX on AMD/Nvidia AND Intel.
The amount of time it takes to port Mantle is nihil compared to normal porting from PS3 costs. The PS4 and Xbox One are a gift for us pc gamers.

Nvidia could adopt Mantle but their pride is in the way. Also there are 20 games or so stated to have mantle support and all major engines are joining. You're severely miscalculating Mantle's momentum it seems.
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the demographic for mantle and the time and labor to port over to it makes it rather kind of moot specifically when DX OLG are gonna pick up the ball... or rather they promised too but, i don't doubt them thy need to keep improving anyways to keep advancing with hardware like they usually do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX#Releases

Holiday 2015 almost 2 years away from commercial availability. In all Mantle games AMD will have less cpu overhead while Nvidia will be left with DX11 for cpu handling. It is a bad position to be in especially multiplayer and RTS.
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HSA is kind of the same deal unless intel picks it up with their CPU/GPUs it's all brand specific stuff. would rather have my games and softwares work right than have have Open CL which btw the last i heard doesn't work right half the time, though that may be a application issue and not Open CLs fault. it's good though in the fact they are trying to make new things and advance but, practicality is another story.
Brand specific?
All the big names are in the HSA foundation. OpenCL is not HSA it is just using a gpu to do part of the work. HSA is having them work together in harmony and is far more efficient than openCL.

The APU13 keynotes can inform you about the gains it could bring it really makes it easier for devs to use all the power availabe.
Also Java and other major languages will have support for it Java 8 should bring instructions to u it and beyond Java 8 there should be automatic support for it.

cpu only is taped out pretty much we need to go the ASIC way by using the better optimized for paralel gpu to speed things up.
Edited by maarten12100 - 4/5/14 at 7:50am
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AMD should've hired Linus Media Group to do this video. Would've been much slicker...
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