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Have you tried the open souce drivers in the last year? They have really matured with all the help provided by AMD. AMD has really improved their open source support. The 4xxx series to 6xxx series perform extremely well with 3D acceleration with the open source drivers. I personally use the open source drivers on my laptop with arch and have full 3D acceleration and power management.

Not saying its all great for AMD on Linux but compared to what the drivers were in the mid 2000's it's like day and night. Back then 80% of the time you couldn't even get past the installer screen.

It does suck that AMD dropped support for the DX10 cards, but it isn't like Nvidia doesn't do the same. They dropped support for there DX10 cards as well too. Nvidia "might" have better support for their older cards but they still have random bugs that Nvidia will never fix. I just hope one day windows can get open source drivers for Nvidia and AMD cards. Only way to fix the dropping of support.

last week, horrid aritfacting when playing minecraft. the fact is it's open source and it's other people picking up the slack for ATI/AMD.

NO NVIDIA STILL SUPPORTS THEIR DX10 CARDS!!! So no nividia isn't doing the same.they are still supporting back to the 8000 series and think a few other older series too.
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Crossfire support was pretty poor for my 6970 (unlocked) + 6950, do those fall under older cards?

Was? Have you tried them since the frame pacing fixes?
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the issues i'm having with Hd4850s and HD2600 is out side of gaming, with stuff like web browsing and coin minig, actual i can't even mine coins at all on my HD4850s the driver is flatout missing the SDK or something crazy it insta crashes them inner and they are at stock clocks.

The 2600 series doesn't support OpenCL at all and AMD did not start integrating OCL into the base driver packages until well after the legacy driver fork. You need to install OCL separately (the 2.4 APP, and early 11.xx drivers are probably the best bet). Not that the 4000 series can profitably mine anything anymore anyway.
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The 2600 series doesn't support OpenCL at all and AMD did not start integrating OCL into the base driver packages until well after the legacy driver fork. You need to install OCL separately (the 2.4 APP, and early 11.xx drivers are probably the best bet). Not that the 4000 series can profitably mine anything anymore anyway.
I did never say the above?!
My 4850 has been in my closet for years lawl.
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I did never say the above?!
My 4850 has been in my closet for years lawl.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1479451/vc-nvidia-s-geforce-337-50-wonder-driver-to-be-released-on-april-7th

just further prooves me point on how good Nvidia software is and ow poor AMD software is.

Also if you ever want to sell that 4850 for cheap i have friend who can't afford a gaming pc who needs a competent video card for cheap.

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http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/73780/en-us

click supported products.
Edited by cdoublejj - 4/6/14 at 10:04am
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1479451/vc-nvidia-s-geforce-337-50-wonder-driver-to-be-released-on-april-7th

just further prooves me point on how good Nvidia software is and ow poor AMD software is.

Also if you ever want to sell that 4850 for cheap i have friend who can't afford a gaming pc who needs a competent video card for cheap.

EDIT:

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/73780/en-us

click supported products.
So you opt a DX11 driver for your cards that are pre fermi and therefore not DX11 but DX10 or DX9, seems right...

I don't know how the new Nv driver is going to do in terms of reducing DX11 overhead it is very doubtful it solves it but would be nice if it at least partially solves it.
Nvidia releases a good driver makes AMD's dirvers crap automatically that doesn't make sense, does it?

As for your offer I would get it off my hands but there is a big pool of water between our continents. (and this talk belongs in the trade subforum)
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So you opt a DX11 driver for your cards that are pre fermi and therefore not DX11 but DX10 or DX9, seems right...

I don't know how the new Nv driver is going to do in terms of reducing DX11 overhead it is very doubtful it solves it but would be nice if it at least partially solves it.
Nvidia releases a good driver makes AMD's dirvers crap automatically that doesn't make sense, does it?

As for your offer I would get it off my hands but there is a big pool of water between our continents. (and this talk belongs in the trade subforum)

i would not call it a DX1 driver. The point i'm making the new drivers support even some of the oldest of cards. this one brings performance boost for th gtx700 series but, in the past they released one that improved performance for ALL cards due to the FCAT data they gleaned using the same method as PCper.

AMD acts like they could careless about FCAT or improving software on cards or multi OS front. Yeah they release new drivers for their cards with perf boosts like Nvidia does but, if have noticed the Nvidia drivers support both old and new cards, basically an all in one driver but, there is more to it.

When i consider all the issue past and present (remember that hard forum link), lack of linux support and lack legacy support AND i look at nvidia who does ave legacy and linux support and has bit or little bit of a better track record the AMD software/drivers don't seem so hot/hunky doory do they?

I only used this as an example of nvidia's commitment to software and hardware new and old.
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i would not call it a DX1 driver. The point i'm making the new drivers support even some of the oldest of cards. this one brings performance boost for th gtx700 series but, in the past they released one that improved performance for ALL cards due to the FCAT data they gleaned using the same method as PCper.
The driver is literally made to decrease DX11 cpu overhead the older cards can't run DX11 and as I said before had their support dropped and only get bugfixes no backtracking performance improvements.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-Drops-Driver-Support-for-Over-a-Hundred-Graphics-Card-431895.shtml

Also Nvidia themselve came with the FCAT measuring
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6862/fcat-the-evolution-of-frame-interval-benchmarking-part-1
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AMD acts like they could careless about FCAT or improving software on cards or multi OS front. Yeah they release new drivers for their cards with perf boosts like Nvidia does but, if have noticed the Nvidia drivers support both old and new cards, basically an all in one driver but, there is more to it.
AMD themselve stated they were actually working on fixes and it was one of the R9 290(x)'s major bullet points.
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When i consider all the issue past and present (remember that hard forum link), lack of linux support and lack legacy support AND i look at nvidia who does ave legacy and linux support and has bit or little bit of a better track record the AMD software/drivers don't seem so hot/hunky doory do they?

I only used this as an example of nvidia's commitment to software and hardware new and old.
It is probably my lack of linux usage that I have never noticed it. AMD driver improved immensely for windows ever since Raja took over the entire graphic division.
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The video was so cheesy, amateurish and looked like something directly out of some students media class homework, it annoys me smile.gif
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The driver is literally made to decrease DX11 cpu overhead the older cards can't run DX11 and as I said before had their support dropped and only get bugfixes no backtracking performance improvements.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-Drops-Driver-Support-for-Over-a-Hundred-Graphics-Card-431895.shtml

Also Nvidia themselve came with the FCAT measuring
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6862/fcat-the-evolution-of-frame-interval-benchmarking-part-1
AMD themselve stated they were actually working on fixes and it was one of the R9 290(x)'s major bullet points.
It is probably my lack of linux usage that I have never noticed it. AMD driver improved immensely for windows ever since Raja took over the entire graphic division.

still that's bug fixes for older cards! AMD won't even do that! Oh good they are moving on to the "R" series already, no like the HD 7000 series isn't a thing, i can't rag too hard but, based on last conversation in the 7850 thread i don't they did that great of a job with the 7000 series in dual card configs but, hey you can always drop another several hundred per card and get a "R" series with improved performances and frame latency. just take that with a grain of salt thy may have improved the 7 series dual card config performance cine i last looked at buying some in early 2013. I'm sure you can see what i'm getting at though, it should be bullet point with at least the last series of cards too on top of the future/current generation.

But, we are just dragging this out though. Nvidia goes the extra mile on the software side that AMD doesn't and that's something AMD needs to work on instead of cheesy commercials.
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still that's bug fixes for older cards! AMD won't even do that! Oh good they are moving on to the "R" series already, no like the HD 7000 series isn't a thing, i can't rag too hard but, based on last conversation in the 7850 thread i don't they did that great of a job with the 7000 series in dual card configs but, hey you can always drop another several hundred per card and get a "R" series with improved performances and frame latency. just take that with a grain of salt thy may have improved the 7 series dual card config performance cine i last looked at buying some in early 2013. I'm sure you can see what i'm getting at though, it should be bullet point with at least the last series of cards too on top of the future/current generation.

But, we are just dragging this out though. Nvidia goes the extra mile on the software side that AMD doesn't and that's something AMD needs to work on instead of cheesy commercials.
Agreed it should just have worked right away. Glad it is mostly fixed now and they'll keep working on it.
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