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Sites that are dependent on Corsair are typically very reluctant to review our products - even if their readers frequently ask for them. You can read into that what you will... rolleyes.gif

Sometimes as a reviewer being honest can cost you sponsors so as a reader trust companies that send out products for review even when the reviews are negative and trust reviewers who give positive and negative reviews to certain companies, particularly if that sponsor is a high profile sponsor that sponsors the whole site and every video etc. As a reviewer I can tell you that some companies are better than others about receiving negative feedback and some of those will seemingly harbor grudges which can translate to less or no more review samples rolleyes.gif I can also tell you that that sentence was horrible english.
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Politics are everywhere.
I would ALMOST say that there is no truely impartial review website.

I try to be as honest and impartial and in order to achieve that I try and stick to facts/numbers where I can. I don't think it's worth risking a fragile reputation over pleasing a sponsor with a biased review. Plus I have so much stuff in the pipe to review that I could be cut off from review samples and still be busy for the next year lol. Having said that I do admit there are still relationships and experiences that make you see companies in a different light. Past experiences can tint your present view point no matter how objective you try to be.
     
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I am not trying to have a go at you at all. Not saying I was pointing at you.

But it is the sad reality that some review websites are very biased because of the advertisement banners on their websites.
It is a pretty sad thing. It makes the conclusion of a review almost useless.

The Nvidia vs AMD thing being the most obvious.
 
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Sometimes as a reviewer being honest can cost you sponsors so as a reader trust companies that send out products for review even when the reviews are negative and trust reviewers who give positive and negative reviews to certain companies, particularly if that sponsor is a high profile sponsor that sponsors the whole site and every video etc. As a reviewer I can tell you that some companies are better than others about receiving negative feedback and some of those will seemingly harbor grudges which can translate to less or no more review samples rolleyes.gif I can also tell you that that sentence was horrible english.

It's a little different matter though, if a company uses their influence to quash reviews of a competitor's product. There's no way to say if that's really happening or not - there's just an interesting correlation rolleyes.gif All we can do is work with sites that are willing to work with us and we certainly appreciate the ones that do thumb.gif
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i think at this point , you have to pay ... to get a "feature" on their websites / videos


i remember seeing the prices of Bit-tech and along with their magazine ... i remember it was on the 10,000$ + and saw some at 90k too
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I am not trying to have a go at you at all. Not saying I was pointing at you.

But it is the sad reality that some review websites are very biased because of the advertisement banners on their websites.
It is a pretty sad thing. It makes the conclusion of a review almost useless.

The Nvidia vs AMD thing being the most obvious.

well thanks lol, I guess I just meant that it's something that I personally try to be aware of. I wasn't generally feeling defensive smile.gif Yeah the important thing I guess is to distinguish permanent banners vs googleads etc. We don't have anyone like that actually paying us directly to advertise on the site, so I can see if we were how that would seem biased regardless of whether it affects things or not. I know someone was saying that anandtech is very good at separating the marketing/advertising team from the review team, inferring that other sites don't do that. Not that I've been offered any of those kinds of deals, but I'd like to think they'd be refused on principal. On the other hand deals like that can enable a smaller reviewer to quit their day job and go full time and cover more stuff. So I understand those that "sell out".
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It's a little different matter though, if a company uses their influence to quash reviews of a competitor's product. There's no way to say if that's really happening or not - there's just an interesting correlation rolleyes.gif All we can do is work with sites that are willing to work with us and we certainly appreciate the ones that do thumb.gif

That is true, and always so hard to prove. Similar to when I get denied a review sample - is it because they were unhappy with my last review and are freezing me out or is it unrelated and for another reason. When you're a small company or a small reviewer you don't really know until you see a pattern lol and it sounds like you have seen it. Companies like Corsair not only pay some review sites directly (TTL and Linus I believe) but also employ some of the writers/contributors e.g. the case reviewer Dustin Sklavos at Anandtech (though he was at anand before joining Corsair but still). Either way when there is big money involved and "donations" whether in politics or reviews, influence is usually being transferred and that's just life sadly.

I think what CL needs is a deal with a boutique vendor like digital storm, origin etc and make a custom chassis for them. However I doubt those vendors would be willing to pay the premium price for something not made in china out of flimsy steel and plastic. Maybe someone like stieger dynamics would be a good partnership, and local too although they make their own chassis anyway so maybe not them but someone similar. Maybe even EVGA and again local, and they might be willing to do a high end chassis, they already do the pretty average hadron case, so they might be looking to get in the market for something larger and more high end. All it needs is a big e or classified stamped on it wink.gif
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i think at this point , you have to pay ... to get a "feature" on their websites / videos


i remember seeing the prices of Bit-tech and along with their magazine ... i remember it was on the 10,000$ + and saw some at 90k too

Dayumn think of the amount of samples they could send to small time honest reviewers with that cash lulz.
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Dayumn think of the amount of samples they could send to small time honest reviewers with that cash lulz.


well yes , but remember , these people arent like us , they are businessman , they only follow numbers , and by numbers i meant numbers that are asociated with money , as in , how many people see this page , how many people this magazine reaches / sales , per day / week month etc etc , marketing stuff

... i do prefer honest websites / reviews , the ones that they either buy the product itself or a company sends them a final product


... the problem with caselab , not having enough exposure are probably two things :

1. they could implode themselves with the big exposure , they cant supply the demand , they cant attend the customer support ... these problems can burn any company's name , ask EK about their nickle plating problem they had some years ago ...

2. maybe they dont have a marketing budget big enough for those fancy websites ...


BUT , then again ... who said that caselab needed marketing ...

...maybe they are being profitable with the reach they have , maybe they are the same case as supercars , they market themselves biggrin.gif


We will never know smile.gif
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I'll admit that reviews are a tricky thing, so I'm kind of glad I'm not doing them tongue.gif Manufacturers are generally not really looking for feedback on their products. They have FB, user forums and direct user feedback for that. What they're looking for is positive press that they can use in their marketing efforts.Reviewers on the other hand, can't simply rubber stamp everything they get their hands on or they'll have no credibility, so the "dance" begins. That's why most reviews have a positive slant to them pointing out the positives along with the negatives, even for an inferior product. You just need to learn to "read between the lines" so to speak to get the real picture from some sites. The fan-boy sites may be helpful when it comes to new product release information, but you'll never get a critical assessment of those products.
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I'll admit that reviews are a tricky thing, so I'm kind of glad I'm not doing them tongue.gif Manufacturers are generally not really looking for feedback on their products. They have FB, user forums and direct user feedback for that. What they're looking for is positive press that they can use in their marketing efforts.Reviewers on the other hand, can't simply rubber stamp everything they get their hands on or they'll have no credibility, so the "dance" begins. That's why most reviews have a positive slant to them pointing out the positives along with the negatives, even for an inferior product. You just need to learn to "read between the lines" so to speak to get the real picture from some sites. The fan-boy sites may be helpful when it comes to new product release information, but you'll never get a critical assessment of those products.

haha so true, I guess I'm over thinking my role then lol. I like to think the marketing teams read previous reviews when they are designing future products and I have seen some focused improvements from some companies that might be attributable to my reviews lol e.g. VRM gpu block performance improvements, ek's low flow performance, but water cooling is a smaller community than cases I guess.

Having said all this about Corsair - they have sponsored some CL builds including mine and CPAChris's, so they're not totally against CL, or at least not everyone there is wink.gif
     
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haha so true, I guess I'm over thinking my role then lol. I like to think the marketing teams read previous reviews when they are designing future products and I have seen some focused improvements from some companies that might be attributable to my reviews lol e.g. VRM gpu block performance improvements, ek's low flow performance, but water cooling is a smaller community than cases I guess.

Having said all this about Corsair - they have sponsored some CL builds including mine and CPAChris's, so they're not totally against CL, or at least not everyone there is wink.gif

It's a very safe bet that they do smile.gif They still have to worry about getting today's product sold, so they still have a job when the improved version is released biggrin.gif

Your reviews are unique in that they delve more into technical material than most which is good. Many simply regurgitate the factory specs, point out a few features, maybe run a test or two and call it a day.

Feedback in any form is something we appreciate and while we are certainly not alone on that, I'd be willing to bet that for most, it's not the priority (could be wrong, but it hasn't been my experience in other industries).
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I'll admit that reviews are a tricky thing, so I'm kind of glad I'm not doing them tongue.gif Manufacturers are generally not really looking for feedback on their products. They have FB, user forums and direct user feedback for that. What they're looking for is positive press that they can use in their marketing efforts.Reviewers on the other hand, can't simply rubber stamp everything they get their hands on or they'll have no credibility, so the "dance" begins. That's why most reviews have a positive slant to them pointing out the positives along with the negatives, even for an inferior product. You just need to learn to "read between the lines" so to speak to get the real picture from some sites. The fan-boy sites may be helpful when it comes to new product release information, but you'll never get a critical assessment of those products.

Never thought about it that way but kinda makes sense rolleyes.gif Sad though because it makes real reviews hard to find except for a small number of sites willing to risk being cut off unless they play along. I'll have to spend more time on ER thumb.gif
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