Originally Posted by rdr09
you should stick with what you are used to. they are similar perfromance after all. i was in the same boat as you last year. i was about the buy a 670, then 320.18 came out.
and may i add . . . i play battlefield. can't take a chance.
I'm thinking about just going with one of those EVGA GTX 780 6GB for $550 but I'm not really sure when they coming out. Being an avid BF4 player, I really don't want to take a chance either but seeing these deals on R9 290's is making me second guess my possible 780 purchase. I more than likely want to stick with what I'm used to but I regret not getting a 4GB 670 when I bought my 670. Because right now I would be just picking up a second 4GB 670 and going SLI for more power. Going SLI on my 2GB 670 is nonsensical because I'll have the power but won't be able to utilize it because of the VRAM limitations. At least for games in the future, and my modded Skyrim.
Originally Posted by Blameless
Biggest annoyances I have with AMD drivers that I generally do not have with NVIDIA are:
-Forcing AA in some titles is more difficult or impossible, and downsampling from higher resolutions than one's monitor is very difficult.
-Flip queue size/frames render ahead can only be adjusted from the registry or with third party utilities.
-Setup and organization of 3D profiles is a bit more cumbersome.
-Only really relevant for multi-card configs, but frame pacing still does not work in D3D9 or OGL.
Other than these areas, I have very few problems with AMD's drivers, and almost never encounter situations where something just doesn't work. If anything I tend to have more anomalies with NVIDIA's drivers (I can still see lights through walls in the Witcher on my GTX 780, which was a bug I noticed when the GTX 460 was new). I also tend to have far more idle/2D clock issues with NVIDIA hardware/drivers.
Not a driver issue, but the Hawaii based parts are generally cooled inadequately and have overly aggressive throttling. Both solvable problems but still annoying.
The issues with AMD's drivers are often overstated, but the GTX 780 is still a very competitive part. It OCs better on stock cooling, is not as loud, and after OCing, the performance differential evaporates.
If you'd otherwise get the 780, I'm not convinced the larger memory pool is enough of an incentive to get a 290/290X.
- I never really got forcing AA to work with my 670 for certain titles so that doesn't bother me.
- I usually use default settings for frame rendering, so that shouldn't be too much of a complication
- I use a global profile for all of my games, so that doesn't bother me either
- If I do go Crossfire/SLI after getting this upgrade card, it wont be for another year or so. So in the mean time single card should be adequate.
The only reason why I'm not so sure on a 780 is the 3GB of memory is what makes me uncomfortable. When I bought my 670 I was all Gung-ho about 2GB being enough for 1080p gaming. Then I soon discovered my modded Skyrim proved to be impossible to play because of the lack of extra memory. Then a few games came out that weren't well optimized that were using more than 2GB of memory like Titan Fall and Call of Duty Ghosts. This made me feel like more VRAM usage in games is right around the corner. Had I gotten a 4GB 670 I would have just grabbed a second and went SLI. At the moment though SLI'ing my 670 seems like an unfortunate purchase considering it only has 2GB of memory and doesn't solve my Skyrim issues and whatever other games coming out. Modded GTA 5 comes to mind. Because of that, I noticed EVGA releasing a 6GB 780 at some point for $550. Which strikes my interest. But then if that's the case I'm paying an extra $150 or so over the R9 290 for not really a performance increase but mainly having a comfortable amount of VRAM. I just don't want to get a standard 3GB 780 and a year or two be looking to upgrade the card again as this initial upgrade needs to last me a while with the ability to Crossfire/SLI for extra power when needed.
Originally Posted by batman900
I've had them all. With a single card AMD is fine, with two I get random driver crashes once in a while, I also get microstutter in WoW but it's an older game. If I didn't mine I would still have my 780 or 780 ti. I've also had 2 gigabyte windforce 290Xs die randomly after 2-3 days of use. My xfx dbd has been chugging along nicely though. I prefer nvidia but I wouldn't ignore the 4gb vram with 290. Just make sure you get a highly rated aftermarket version.
Having an nVidia preference, when you went to your 290 was installation and setup as simple as with your nVidia cards? How was overclocking the card?
Originally Posted by XAslanX
This, more often then not driver issues are PECKAC problems. Been using ATi since 2003 with the 9000 AIW card and I have yet to have any problems with the drivers to make me want to stop using their hard ware.
By saying they are PECKAC problems, clarify what would be considered a user error? Can you elaborate your experience with the cards you have used and do you game often? More often than not in gaming threads (Like BF4 for instance) I see people complaining of having some sort of issue with playing and typically they have an AMD card.
Originally Posted by Deaf Jam
I cannot speak of AMD's current drivers and gaming, as I haven't used them in over a year (6970). I game on a 780 TiC.
I would ask the seller what fan RPM does it take to keep the card under 70C if noise is a concern for you. I have 10 R9 290s Tri-X. 5 are excellent, 50-60% is all it takes to keep the card at <65 C while mining, the other 5 cards are awful if noise is a concern to you. Fans are at 85% and core temps are at 85-90C which means they are loud. If you get a good one and don't mind higher temps, you can probably run it at ~40% fan speed and barely hear it. Excellent card for miners and those looking for a low to moderate overclock if you don't get one that runs hot. You can't remove the sapphire cooler to change TiM without voiding the warranty, although if you are buying used, that may be a moot point.
All but one cards memory will run at 1500, I have one that is damaged goods and won't run stock memory or core. None will run 1600 memory. In terms of core speeds, 2 hit 1100, 3 hit 1080, 4 hit 1040, and my bad card is at 900/1200. These are at stock voltages and stable for days on end mining.
I figured I'd post this so you'd have a better idea of the range of cards you can get. More information never hurts for large purchases.
Noise isn't too much of a concern to me, I have my current card running at 100% and imagine that would be too loud for most people. I would probably run it at 80-90% anyway if it allowed me to overclock higher. Is mining still popular? I was under the impression people are pulling out of GPU mining? Is there even money to be made with a single 290?
What's a decent overclock for a 290? My 670 games at 1280MHz/6600MHz and benches at 1320MHz/7300MHz which is a pretty good overclock for a 670. It seems you have a decent amount of them, and can tell me what's the average overclock for them.
Originally Posted by Dandraseth
As a long time AMD and Nvidia user I can tell you this... on a simple fire a game up and expect it to work properly scale, both companies are about even.. as others have said.. step into multi card usage and the strength goes back to nvidias hands.. although amd has made some strides last year with that. I personally find the user interface for the catalyst suite easier to use than on the nvidia side, however be aware that stepping into the 290 series might shock you a bit as it did me.. even coming from a previous gen 7970.. this whole new era of managing tdp against heat and having clock speeds adjust down rather than up on the fly caused some headaches.. but it only took 2 days to iron it out.. and the card is performing alot better now.. and as you said if you can get a non reference 290 for around 350-400 you really cannot go wrong with the price to performance ratio that amd is offering right now compared to nvidia.
Explain what you mean that having clock speeds adjust down rather than up. Is overclocking really a headache with the R9 290? I have very adequate cooling. I imagine that heat won't be a problem with my case at all. Even during bench runs overclocked to the max my 670 stays under 60C. The price to performance ratio is what is making me consider the R9 290. Having to pay almost another $150 to have a 780 that has a decent amount of VRAM for the future is what is making me mostly hesitant to just jump the gun and stick to what I'm used to; knowing that there are other options available to help me save money and provide similar results