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Look for the M5A97 PRO or M5A97 EVO, 6+2 phase smile.gif I had it and it's an amazing overclocker.

Or Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P, which I have now, also great overclocker (8+2 phase).
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Originally Posted by DA77 View Post

PSU selection is very limited in Serbia and those "good" brands that are available often only have low end models at high prices.

This are the brands that are available
Chieftec (11)
Cooler Master (9)
Enermax (1)
Fractal Design (2)
Intex (1)
LC Power (14)
Raidmax (5)
Seasonic (4)
Thermaltake (2)

I totally understand the limitation. Lets try to figure out what is available and see if we can improve on the quality. Brand is often pretty irrelevant but you can usually bet on steering clear of raidmax as a general rule of thumb for anything but brightly colored cheaply made wow-factor cases wink.gif (hey sometimes that can be fun if you don't mind bleeding a little on assembly, lol).

PSU quality varies from model to model. Some brand shave many different OEMs and make nothing. Cooler Master is a great example with great and garbage PSUs depending on model. If you can get a Seasonic G series or a CoolerMaster V series that would be good. Some Enermax unit's are decent.

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That MB is a bit too much over the budget. Is GA-970A-UD3P good ?

I really like my UD3P. No problems overclocking to 5ghz. If the machine isn't going to be overclocked it's a bit overkill but it's still a high value motherboard either way.

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Going with any kind of i5 is way out of the budget since only CPU cost a bit more then FX-6300 and MB.

I understand. I paid less for my fx-6300+UD3P+Liquid-cooler combined than the cost of a nice i5. However, if I had left my chip at stock, I would be better off with an i3 or entry level i5. There's a reason these FX chips are cheap.
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i3 is a bit more expensive then FX-6300, but this PC has to last 4+ years so i dont think that going with dual core is the best idea, no matter how fast single threaded performance is.

Here in the states the i3 and FX-6300 are usually priced about the same. If the FX-6300 is a lot cheaper then it's probably the better deal.

Try not to get too hung up on core count. A hyperthreaded haswell core (2 threads) @3.4ghz has the same computing performance as a Piledriver Module (2 cores) at ~4.4ghz. When the "6 core" (3 module, 6 threaded) FX-6300 is running stock speeds and FULLY SATURATED (all 6 "cores" loaded up with jobs), it's only ~20% faster than the "2 core" (4 threaded) i3-4130. When we adjust the workload, and compare 1 thread per core vs 1 thread per module performance, the i3-4130 is 50-65% faster than the FX-6300 depending on turbo speeds.

Gaming workloads are real-time workloads. Real-time workloads that juggle dozens of different jobs that are all tied to the "throttle" of that time-line can not scale into compute parallelism perfectly. The FX-6300 may be 20% faster than the i3-4130 in non-realtime workloads like compiling or transcoding, but it's not 20% faster in real-time workloads because that additional 20% performance is made possible by stacking up the combined effort of a bunch of slower cores. The 20% advantage dwindles to almost nothing even in games that are optimized for highly parallel CPUs. On the other hand, real-time workloads do scale very well with per-core performance. That 50-65% better per-thread performance in less parallel workloads directly translates to holding up better minimum FPS in CPU bound games.

If we overclock the FX-6300 to 5ghz, then everything changes, because now the lightly threaded performance advantage of the i3 has been whittled down to a mere 20%, and the the parallel performance of the FX chip has been increased by 40%, giving the FX chip a whopping 70% performance advantage in saturated non-real-time workloads over the i3. This puts the FX-6300 into a performance class that can trade blows with an E3-1230V2 for all around gaming/productivity etc, which is awesome.

So I'll reiterate. If the FX-6300 stays at stock clocks, the i3-4130 will perform better in 99% of games. If you overclock the FX-6300, it will perform more like an entry level i5 haswell or IvyBridge E3, which would be better than the i3-4130 most of the time. By the time you factor in the added cost to overclock the FX chip (heatsink, decent mobo), the i5-4440 on a cheap B85 may be competitive price wise and offer the same performance out of the box. See what a Gigabyte H81 Amp-Up costs over there.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
Mouse
logitec M235 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS224V-PN Logitec K360 FSP 400W Aurum S 80+ gold Prodigy 
Mouse
logitec M235 
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