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...At a fundamental level we understand this. But spare a thought for a moment to consider that among potential over spenders are people and organizations that either cannot afford that difference or could spend it in better ways. Schools and universities, hospitals, government departments, transport authorities, train and bus companies come to mind as some of many examples.

Why are schools around the world spending money on technology that could be better spent in classrooms and extracurricular activities for children? We could ask why our hospitals are spending money on pricey technology could be spent on extra beds. In the pharmaceutical industry, there is a debate about overcharging for life-saving drugs but I believe a similar debate should take place about the premium that our competitors are charging for APUs that simply should not exist...

SOURCE: http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-partners/blog/2014/04/04/the-real-price-of-productivity
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Reminds me of the monster i7 rigs in many of the productivity labs at my school that probably won't be put to full use.
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IS replaced our comps with nice new mid+ level i5s a while back. Now all that cpu heavy work we do in web clients and MS Excel can be done at blazing speeds. rolleyes.gif
And by replace I mean they replaced half with overpowered machines and the other half with linux terminals to rcon to the server. Good thing its a psych hospital... half the computers make you want to peal your eyes out because of how slow and choppy they are... the other half make me euphoric after dealing with the former.
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Roy has no idea how much Intel is charging any of the schools, hospitals etc for their systems.

So he uses Newegg and does a retail price comparison instead.

And he'd be so much better off just dropping the holier than Intel attitude with pricing.

Just come out and say we're number 2 and we want to be number 1. We're going aggressively price our product to help us reach that goal.

Anyone with sense knows that whoever is number one gets to charge the price premium. Doesn't matter who it is.

AMD reaches number one, they will do the exact same thing that Intel currently does.

Big companies don't care about little people like us. It's rather insulting to see any of them act like they care when all they really care about is sales.
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This is the truest and most viable thing that AMD has said/done yet. Colleges waste so much money on pricey Intels when they could use an APU and save so much money. thumb.gif
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So, we are supposed to take his word for it because "one" benchmark, which he claims is the only unbiased one, shows an AMD advantage?

I guess if we all forget everything we all know about AMD's lower IPC and performance per watt.

Oh, and pretty much every other benchmark ever made as well.

Pure marketing BS. Reminds me of Bulldozer.... and we all know how THAT turned out.
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So, we are supposed to take his word for it because "one" benchmark, which he claims is the only unbiased one, shows an AMD advantage?
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Originally Posted by http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/pcmark8 

The PCMark 8 Work benchmark test measures your system's ability to perform basic office work tasks, such as writing documents, browsing websites, creating spreadsheets and using video chat. The Work benchmark is suitable for measuring the performance of typical office PC systems that lack media capabilities. The results from each workload are combined to give an overall PCMark 8 Work score for your system.

I'm not much of a bencher, so I can't say what specifically is tested, but that seems about at real as it gets for "real-world" performance. Do you know something about the tests performed that the article didn't mention? I don't, so if you do then please enlighten me.

The retail cost difference really is significant, but as was mentioned already, we don't know what Intel charges companies for their chips.

That said, this isn't news. If it was, the thread title should actually read "[AMD Partners] The real price of productivity".
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So, we are supposed to take his word for it because "one" benchmark, which he claims is the only unbiased one, shows an AMD advantage?

I guess if we all forget everything we all know about AMD's lower IPC and performance per watt.

Oh, and pretty much every other benchmark ever made as well.

Pure marketing BS. Reminds me of Bulldozer.... and we all know how THAT turned out.

This is but marketing. It is common sense.

I always wondered why schools and offices waste so much money on machines that only do word processing and browsing.
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I'm not much of a bencher, so I can't say what specifically is tested, but that seems about at real as it gets for "real-world" performance. Do you know something about the tests performed that the article didn't mention? I don't, so if you do then please enlighten me.

The retail cost difference really is significant, but as was mentioned already, we don't know what Intel charges companies for their chips.

That said, this isn't news. If it was, the thread title should actually read "[AMD Partners] The real price of productivity".


Again, this is just one benchmark out of dozens. To say that AMD is superior based on just this one benchmark, and just a subset of the benchmark at that, is disingenuous at best. Pretty much any benchmark out there, will show just the opposite: that Intel is superior at most price points for most use cases. Cherry picked benchmarks aside.

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This is but marketing. It is common sense.

I always wondered why schools and offices waste so much money on machines that only do word processing and browsing.

Is it a waste to pay a little more for an Intel chip that will use less wattage across thousands of deployments? The actual cost of the chip is only one small part of TCO. In some use cases AMD will win, but for most desktop uses, the Intel will be the better choice.

As was stated above: AMD is second and they want to be first. They will do what they can to get there, even creating misleading marketing releases like this one.
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The reason why they spend so much money is because it's not theirs it's ours and they don't care how they spend it. Public school is evil I cannot wait for voucher programs to take off.
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