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I actually started rooting for the trolls in the patents suites.
Until the US stop making ridiculous patents acceptable, if someone has a patent and others breach it, they should be shut down. Isn't what the patents are for?
If patenting the word "candy" is fine even thought there were hundreds of hundreds of games with that name before, why using an old unused patent a bad thing?

The trolls should win the cases so the big companies realise the trolls aren't the problem. Its the patent office and their own stupidity which led them to it.

This actually makes a ton of sense if looked at sensibly.

Patent trolls are only doing what the government gave them the RIGHT to do in the first place...so what exactly is the problem with them?
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This actually makes a ton of sense if looked at sensibly.

Patent trolls are only doing what the government gave them the RIGHT to do in the first place...so what exactly is the problem with them?

I agree in the fact that something should be done, even though I am not entirely sure what to do exactly (yet), but I will say this: Even if you CAN do it, whether legal or not, doesn't mean you should lol.
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Patent trolls are only doing what the government gave them the RIGHT to do in the first place...so what exactly is the problem with them?

They indeed have the right to do so BUT with these rights there are limits too.

For example, you have the right to free speech but if you happen to say the wrong thing or go around spreading lies about someone that causes them damage to their reputation, financial loss or even bodily harm, you can be held responsible... But you had the right to say it right?
No - At least when it's like that you don't.

I'm glad to see a patent troll "Get theirs" and although this won't stop other trolls from popping up, it's a step in the right direction. Whether you like it or not, the costs of these lawsuits for profit are eventually passed along to you, no company will absorb the loss without raising costs on things to the consumers.
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They indeed have the right to do so BUT with these rights there are limits too.

For example, you have the right to free speech but if you happen to say the wrong thing or go around spreading lies about someone that causes them damage to their reputation, financial loss or even bodily harm, you can be held responsible... But you had the right to say it right?
No - At least when it's like that you don't.

Your example is way off.

There are no limits. This is all about ownership. You can patent something, and its yours. Period!
Apple patent the name apple, so you can't use it legally. There is no limits here. You just can't. Plain and simple.
Same goes with tech patents, books, pictures, and so on. They are owned and thats that. So if you invent something, and don't have the funds or ability to make it to something real, you think its ok for someone else to steal your work and make money out of it without paying you? Really? This is your free speech example? You want to defend something you own so you can't because well... you will hurt someone else like they hurt you?

So if a huge company say "screw patent, I'll do what ever i want", this is out right illegal. So defending newegg and co. that they "stood up" to a patent troll and actually keep on doing something illegal, this actually worse. You actually considered that doing something illegal is ok because "well, I don't like him so I can do what ever I want!".

The whole point is that if you use a patent and don't pay, is illegal. No matter who holds and patent and who breaks it. Ask apple and samsung about it.
So trolls or no trolls, newegg and co. should pay their bills. Until the patent office change and wakes up, I say screw newegg, screw apple, screw samsung. Let the patent wars break them apart. Maybe than the government will wake up.
Seriously, tomorrow I'm going to put the worst game ever with the name "overclocking" and well, see you all soon devil-smiley-019.gif
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post #16 of 29
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Your example is way off.

There are no limits. This is all about ownership. You can patent something, and its yours. Period!
Apple patent the name apple, so you can't use it legally. There is no limits here. You just can't. Plain and simple.
Same goes with tech patents, books, pictures, and so on. They are owned and thats that. So if you invent something, and don't have the funds or ability to make it to something real, you think its ok for someone else to steal your work and make money out of it without paying you? Really? This is your free speech example? You want to defend something you own so you can't because well... you will hurt someone else like they hurt you?

So if a huge company say "screw patent, I'll do what ever i want", this is out right illegal. So defending newegg and co. that they "stood up" to a patent troll and actually keep on doing something illegal, this actually worse. You actually considered that doing something illegal is ok because "well, I don't like him so I can do what ever I want!".

The whole point is that if you use a patent and don't pay, is illegal. No matter who holds and patent and who breaks it. Ask apple and samsung about it.
So trolls or no trolls, newegg and co. should pay their bills. Until the patent office change and wakes up, I say screw newegg, screw apple, screw samsung. Let the patent wars break them apart. Maybe than the government will wake up.
Seriously, tomorrow I'm going to put the worst game ever with the name "overclocking" and well, see you all soon devil-smiley-019.gif

Apple did not patent the name "Apple". But I know what you meant. Even though its a different kind of IP.
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Your example is way off.

There are no limits. This is all about ownership. You can patent something, and its yours. Period!
Apple patent the name apple, so you can't use it legally. There is no limits here. You just can't. Plain and simple.
Same goes with tech patents, books, pictures, and so on. They are owned and thats that. So if you invent something, and don't have the funds or ability to make it to something real, you think its ok for someone else to steal your work and make money out of it without paying you? Really? This is your free speech example? You want to defend something you own so you can't because well... you will hurt someone else like they hurt you?

So if a huge company say "screw patent, I'll do what ever i want", this is out right illegal. So defending newegg and co. that they "stood up" to a patent troll and actually keep on doing something illegal, this actually worse. You actually considered that doing something illegal is ok because "well, I don't like him so I can do what ever I want!".

The whole point is that if you use a patent and don't pay, is illegal. No matter who holds and patent and who breaks it. Ask apple and samsung about it.
So trolls or no trolls, newegg and co. should pay their bills. Until the patent office change and wakes up, I say screw newegg, screw apple, screw samsung. Let the patent wars break them apart. Maybe than the government will wake up.
Seriously, tomorrow I'm going to put the worst game ever with the name "overclocking" and well, see you all soon devil-smiley-019.gif

Not going to fence with you over it and the point I was trying to make might not be "In Line" with what you're getting at but it's still valid from the view I was getting to.
My particular example was not about ownership, it was strictly about rights and nothing else as in "Rights" in reference to post 11 above mine. As far as ownership rights, property related as you've stated, you're correct - If you own it, it's yours period. You infringe on those rights and the owner has the right to nail you over it.

Just clarifying what I was getting at. rolleyes.gif
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The problem here is asking the government to step in... Why? Nothing the government does is good and just adds control.
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I usually pick up my large $$$ stuff in person from there huge store in City of Industry, CA and just recently they put a ton of money will call area with the latest greatest stuff like monitors, motherboard section, SSD, audio etc.. I was impressed because before kinda of seemed cheesy. The number one thing I wish they will do is get rid of anyone to post a review it should only be the person who buys the item. I see so many negative reviews on there making some items for for sale a troll fest.. Anytime I need to return a item they do it fast no questions for me.
    
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I hope the main person or people that are causing this in that company end up on the streets.
    
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