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On a side note I don't see a reservoir there. I'd either get a microres or switch to rigid acrylic tubing. Tubing dries out, except it doesn't because it absorbs water from your loop to prevent it from drying out. Your coolant level will drop, and with no res it only takes a bit to give the possibilities of bubbles running through your pump. Air can cause a lack of lubrication for the ceramic bearing, and can damage it.

Ahem...



*Clears throat*



It's tucked in there tight, but it's there. biggrin.gif
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Its important to remember that Stren has not finished the testing. It seems to be only the backplate that makes a difference and could just be a result of extra thermal pads. There would be nothing stopping anyone covering the back of their cards with pads if it turns out that is the case.

There are two VRM temps, one stays relatively cool and the other is much warmer than GPU temps in most cases. Stren is running Furmark so is much more intensive than a game test.

Backplate keeps the pressure between the PCB and VRMs tight so it makes good contact. Look a the EK + backplate vs the AC + normal backplate. If it was JUST the backplate doing that then the EK temps w/backplate would be similar to the AC temps w/normal backplate.
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Ahem... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


*Clears throat*

It's tucked in there tight, but it's there. biggrin.gif

Fair enough.
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post #23 of 47
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Backplate keeps the pressure between the PCB and VRMs tight so it makes good contact. Look a the EK + backplate vs the AC + normal backplate. If it was JUST the backplate doing that then the EK temps w/backplate would be similar to the AC temps w/normal backplate.
Fair enough.

That doesn't make sense. Why would they be the same if it was the backplate. If it is the backplate doing it then clearly they won't be the same.

Again, The testing is not complete and still poses questions at the moment as Stren himself talks about. Until its finished, its just guesses.

"Taking the first three lines that are grouped together we see that VRM performance is spread a little more than core temperature was. Koolance uses the thickest thermal pads (1mm thick) and unsurprisingly has the worst performance. EK decided to use thicker pads for the VRMs than on the 780/Titan block and therefore loses ground to AquaComputer who has the thinnest pads so far. In addition the AquaComputer backplate provides a significant boost in VRM cooling. This was surprising and initially attributed to the “active” heatpipe. My expectation was that the active backplate was somewhat gimicky – a cool feature but one that might not prove to actually affect VRM temperatures much at all. Removing the heatpipe and running with just the “passive” part of the backplate shows this to match expectations. However the large effect of the backplate is mysterious right now. There are two theories – one that it’s providing extra pressure to the block to cool the VRMs, and the second is that there are thermal pads on the backplate that cover more area than the EK for example."
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That doesn't make sense. Why would they be the same if it was the backplate. If it is the backplate doing it then clearly they won't be the same.

Again, The testing is not complete and still poses questions at the moment as Stren himself talks about. Until its finished, its just guesses.

"Taking the first three lines that are grouped together we see that VRM performance is spread a little more than core temperature was. Koolance uses the thickest thermal pads (1mm thick) and unsurprisingly has the worst performance. EK decided to use thicker pads for the VRMs than on the 780/Titan block and therefore loses ground to AquaComputer who has the thinnest pads so far. In addition the AquaComputer backplate provides a significant boost in VRM cooling. This was surprising and initially attributed to the “active” heatpipe. My expectation was that the active backplate was somewhat gimicky – a cool feature but one that might not prove to actually affect VRM temperatures much at all. Removing the heatpipe and running with just the “passive” part of the backplate shows this to match expectations. However the large effect of the backplate is mysterious right now. There are two theories – one that it’s providing extra pressure to the block to cool the VRMs, and the second is that there are thermal pads on the backplate that cover more area than the EK for example."

The underlined part is my point entirely. I was saying that if it was just the backplate offering passive cooling on the back of the board then the EK waterblock vs the AC backplate would both have similar vrm temps with backplates on. This is not the case, the EK block with a backplate has MUCH higher vrm temps than the the AC with that standard, non active, backplate on.
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It might be a case of different applications of the blocks, especially if he has such a wild spread. And more pressure, depending on his methodology, won't provide better cooling, or not to the extent he is showing. Positive firm contact is all that is required, making the pressure of the contact higher only helps if there is some kind of interface that needs to be squeezed out.
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It might be a case of different applications of the blocks, especially if he has such a wild spread. And more pressure, depending on his methodology, won't provide better cooling, or not to the extent he is showing. Positive firm contact is all that is required, making the pressure of the contact higher only helps if there is some kind of interface that needs to be squeezed out.

Precisely. The TIM is the bottleneck of your cooling system. So squeezing as much of it out, making it thinner will help a great deal.
And same applies to thermal tape too. That's why thin thermal tape works better than thick ones.
Edited by PepeLapiu - 4/7/14 at 9:52am
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post #27 of 47
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You have seen thermal pads after they have been squeezed right? They don't squish much, they just tear open. If you use thermal pads on VRMs, and over tighten, you just punch holes in the VRM pads. I noticed this on my PCS today after I pulled the VRM sinks off. #1 was hotter by 10c than #2 when I was running it on air, and looking at the underside of the small heat sink, it had been over tightened.

And anyway, VRMs don't produce near the wattage in heat of the core. Getting super-fancy with TIM on both sides of the thermal pads will only, as you say, bottleneck the heat transfer even more.
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post #28 of 47
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Picture time. These are the pics from the installation of the Raystorm kit and the x-res d5 pump in the Core 3000.

Hard drive cage. Takes up too much room, I don't need all the space.


Pulled it out.


Radiator test fitting after trimming out center bar.


Brackets (crappy, I know) fabbed, radiator in.


Totally fits, even with front cover on! Well, I measured it to fit.


X-Res D5 installed, I'm not a big fan but there isn't much other space.


Raystorm AX loop complete.
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post #29 of 47
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And some from today's work. Computer is leak-testing, and has been for the past 3 hours.

Fans off of Powercolor's nuts cooler, topside.


Backside of stock cooler.


Die rough-cleaned, VRM sinks still on.


RAM cleaned, VRMs cleaned.


Die still needs a bit of love, pads on RAM and trimmed to fit on VRMs.


EK Block fully installed, first 4 around die first then from the inside out, tightened.


Card in computer.


Pictures of final loop coming soon. I'll certainly post temp screenshots and see how well she cools the angry Hawaii... And don't worry, the die was mirrored when the block went on.
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post #30 of 47
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No leaks after about 6 hours, so it's good! I'll still keep an eye on it.

Now on to a bit of results fo' you watercoolin' foo's.

It's been running a loop of Unigine Valley on Extreme HD 1080p for about 1.5 hours.



I didn't expect that.
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